I don't think anyone here really hates Apples (I have both a Mac Mini and a 
Macbook). But I think we've all been exposed to Mac zealots, and have an 
instinctive defensive reaction when anyone says "I love my Apple"

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 1:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: iphone update - how long does it take?

Perhaps.
My main problem is that generally this list is quite open about alternative 
technologies to solving a particular problem, even though it's officially an nt 
system administrators list.  Many of us here are working with varied and mixed 
environments, some by choice and some by fiat or inheritence.
I have trouble when that same open attitude can't be extended to Apple.  Does 
Apple have control issues?  Sure, but then so does Microsoft.  So does IBM, HP, 
Dell, any vendor wants to exercise as much control over their product as 
possible.  Apple just happens to be a bit more successful in exercising that 
control to fulfill their vision.  If you happen to disagree with that vision, 
that's fine, too, but my feeling is that this list generally doesn't discount 
any company regardless of their vision if they're capable of providing the 
right tool for a given application.  I try and use the best tool for the job.  
To wit, I bought a Macbook Pro as my last notebook, because I wanted to play 
some games on it, and I wanted to do some video editing work with video's we've 
collected of our daughter since she was born.  I spec'ed out similar systems 
from HP, Dell, and Apple (obviously).  All were about comparable in price for 
what I wanted to do, but the Apple won because it had great easy to use video 
editing software and, I could run Windows in Bootcamp.  I run Bootcamp 75% of 
the time, and a lot of the time I'm on the OS X side, I'm running my Bootcamp 
partition through Fusion.



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

Jonathan must have accidentally slipped on Don's cranky pants this morning when 
he was sneaking out of the house in the dark.

;-P



From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:10 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take?



Sheesh, take a sedative. I was just trying to state it worked out of the box 
without excessive configuration and without installing anything. Way to 
over-read into things.



Christopher J. Bosak

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