The reason we don't call this "security" is because this isn't something you 
can rely on to mitigate a risk. If the burglar doesn't think or care about 
"looking in windows" then your wallet is just as vulnerable as the next 
person's.

That's not to say that there is no benefit to obscurity. However it's not 
something you can *rely* on to mitigate anything to any quantifiable metric

On the other hand, the use of a safe mitigates you from burglars who break in 
without specific safe-breaking tools.

Cheers
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2009 3:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SECURING WIFI ROUTER

Actually, your shade example is a good one.  Your closed shades would  
stop the random, wanna be burglar from taking a chance on breaking  
into your house, and finding nothing.  They can't see that you have  
"stuff" through your windows.  They just want quick cash, so they walk  
next door and see your neighbors wallet with cash sticking out on his  
table through the window.  They break in his house, and take the easy,  
visible cash.

On Feb 20, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr wrote:

> My final rebuttal is this:  There is no value in an aspect of security
> or security process that can not be quantified.  To do so is therefor
> meaningless, and therefore has no value - other than some human oddity
> that makes you personally feel good about doing it.
>
> Im going to go pull the shades down on all my windows and pretend
> there are no bad guys outside.  :-)
>
> --
> ME2
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jonathan Link <[email protected] 
> > wrote:
>> I will stipulate that security only by obscurity is false  
>> security.  But
>> likely to remain unconvinced that there is no role or value for  
>> obscurity in the security process.


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