Thanks Ben!  Good info (Especially since I don't know networking at this
level).

>>Hire some local fifth graders to transcribe all the MAC address
stickers from each box for gumdrops or baseball cards or whatever kids
like these days.

That's what someone did, and there are tons of errors.  This is where I
come into fix it :)  No stickers on the box; the devices had to be
opened, and the mac recorded off the physical chip on the card.  I'm
looking for a more automated solution that leaves out human error & fat
fingering.




-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bulk Mac Address Inventory

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Sam Cayze <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Does the device that I am trying to capture the mac from need to have 
> a valid IP on the same network?

  ARP is the mechanism the IP layer uses to learn the MAC address which
corresponds to an IP address.  If you want to use ARP for MAC address
discovery, you need to know the particular IP address assigned to that
device.

  ARP works as follows.  Say we have two computers on an Ethernet:
Alpha on 192.0.2.42, and Bravo on 192.0.2.31.  Alpha has an IP datagram
to send to Bravo, but it only has Bravo's IP address.
Ethernet doesn't know anything about IP addresses; you need to give it a
destination MAC address.  So Alpha sends a broadcast frame on the
Ethernet, asking "Who has 192.0.2.42?".  Bravo sees the broadcast, and
sends a broadcast frame of its own, saying "192.0.2.42 is at <MAC
address>."  Alpha sees that broadcast, and now knows what MAC address
to send Bravo's datagram to.  Alpha puts this in its ARP table, so can
skip the ARP lookup for future datagrams to Bravo.

  When you say "arp -a" to Windows, you're asking Windows to tell you
the ARP addresses it has learned through the above process.  (Plus any
static ARP entries, but that's not relevant to this.)

> I think the devices are set to DHCP ...

  As someone else suggested, if DHCP is indeed enabled, your best bet is
to just connect each device one at a time, and get the MAC address from
the DHCP lease or logs.

  Keep in mind that many devices have multiple MAC addresses, and DHCP
will only report whatever MAC address the device used to request its
lease.  If you need all of them, it's harder still.

  (I'm assuming you want to know which MAC address goes with which
device.  If you just need to generate a list of MAC addresses which
corresponds to a pile of equipment, then you can power them all up at
once, plug them all into a switch, and just look at the DHCP logs when
you're done.)

> Ideally, I would like to stick a cord in the device, have the mac 
> populated via script, rinse and repeat for each machine...

  Other ideas:

  If the devices support SNMP and get IP addresses via DHCP, it should
be possible to use SNMP to get a list of all the MAC addresses
associated with a device.  Assuming the devices implement the right MIB.
I'm don't know much about SNMP.

  Some devices implement a layer 2 discovery protocol.  Cisco has CDP,
for example.  More recently, there's a standard for LLDP (Link Layer
Discovery Protocol).  These sorts of things can generally tell you the
MAC address of the connected port.

  Hire some local fifth graders to transcribe all the MAC address
stickers from each box for gumdrops or baseball cards or whatever kids
like these days.

-- Ben

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