OS patches aren't a security team assignment? I would think AV and patching are 
slam dunk security team jobs. The organizational trick is who does the security 
team belong to? :). I agree on you SMS split - in our org, SMS is handled 
entirely by the "employee domain / workstation" team, but keep in mind this 
team has both Desktop Support and Systems Engineers.

So many ways to skin a cat...

Dave

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Dept delegations (AV/ patching)

We have a similar setup. It can be confusing, and there is always talk of 
restructuring the management of the systems.

For example, here our SMS administration is divided. The Desktop team manages 
the desktops within SMS, and the server team manages the servers. But, 
technically the server team is responsible for the management of SMS globally.  
This is the same for package distribution and OS patches. Antivirus in our 
organization is handled by our Security team.

The larger the organization the more "political" decisions like this become.

YMMV


Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dept delegations (AV/ patching)

I'd advocate for the Server / Workstation dichotomy in teams -- just as an 
example, if you don't do that then you have to make sure your workstation team 
understands what directories on a server must NOT be scanned by AV applications 
-- and that's not going to be their strength.




On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM, David Lum 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Quiz: Two domains - basically an employee-used one (all our user accounts, and 
the servers in it are file/print, Exchange, SharePoint, employee-used apps, 
etc. The other domain has just web and database servers in it.



Patching is delegated via one System Engineer team handles servers, the other 
team handles workstations.

All AV is handled by the "workstation" SE team - even on servers, but currently 
no AV in the web/database server domain.



After putting AV on the web server domain....wouldn't it make sense to have 
patching and AV handled similarly? Make it all "server team" and "workstation 
team" or make it "employee domain" / "web domain"?



Certainly either way works, and our current environment would support jumping 
either direction - do any of you guys have a similar domain setup, and if so, 
how do you handle it?

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764









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David

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