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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jon Harris<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> ... market realities (aka user desires) do tend to rule.
>>
>> Given everything Microsoft has done to get their way that has led to
>> the market screaming bloody murder, not to mention bringing quite a
>> few anti-trust lawsuits, I'm not at all willing to give them a free
>> pass on that.
>
> It was not end users screaming bloody murder it was companies that lost
> money as a result of their practices.

  Well, several of the anti-trust lawsuits allege that Microsoft's
practices effectively locked out competition, hurting the market and
limiting consumer choice.  You're entitled to disagree, of course.
Myself, I've seen far too much evidence that Microsoft uses their
market dominance to twist things in their favor.

> I don't think the users really cared two hoots and from my OJE they
> for the most part still don't care about security.

  I'm not saying that the market screamed bloody about security.  Not
at the time, anyway, and indeed, not even that much today for the most
part.  My point was that I'm not willing to let Microsoft off the hook
because of the idea that they "had to" deliver insecure OSes because
the market demanded it, or at least, demanded other things for.
Microsoft regularly uses their market dominance to enable unilateral
action; they could have done so then, too.

  Indeed, Microsoft's response to the many complaints about UAC in
Vista was originally that "security is more important; get over it",
and that still holds to an extent.  So they're doing that *now*.  They
just didn't do it back then.

-- Ben

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