I commend you on your pedantic-ness (or should that be *pedanticity? *:-) ). At work, I am referred to as "the grammar police"
2009/7/15 Mayo, Bill <[email protected]> > Agreed. I can guarantee you that you would have similar results taking > any of our desktop support guys and telling them to setup a new Windows > domain. > > I also can't help but point out that it is "Mac", not "MAC". "Mac" is > short for Macintosh. "MAC" stands for Media Access Control ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Access_Control). Seeing that drives me > as crazy as hearing someone say they are going to the "ATM machine". > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:55 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Apple vs Microsoft? > > A bench tech does not a network guru make. > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Jeff Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I used to work for a consulting firm that actually had both MS and Apple >> techs. The mac techs were so excited about the I-Server and of course >> convinced that it would lead the the short demise of all windows servers. >> Their first install started at 4 pm on a Friday, they were replacing a SBS >> with this new MAC. It NEVER crossed their minds that they might need an MS >> tech to help at all with this migration. >> >> They called me at 5 p.m. on Saturday. NOTHING worked on either server. >> >> These were 2 FULLY certified MAC specialists who were approved to do >> warrantee work for most everything Apple. >> >> The "manual" for the xserve looked like it had been written by a sales >> person. It looks to me like no one in that whole org knows JACK about >> networking. >> >> They had not even considered looking at the firewall portion..... well >> anyway, maybe the guys I worked with were the biggest part of that problem, >> but I don't think so. I think both of them were better than average for >> MAC techs, but they were lost on server side, and the EASY interface didn't >> do the job for them. >> >> It does have some COOL features. You can pull up any mac's current >> session and watch them work without them knowing it... Wow. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Link >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Sure you are. >>> Not that there's anything wrong with that. >>> :-) >>> >>> -Jonathan >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, James Rankin >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Stick an Apple logon on a lump of Steve Jobs' vomit and Mac users would >>>> claim it tasted like pumpkin pie, and looked much cooler than Microsoft >>>> puke >>>> >>>> This is from someone who is sick of hearing a colleague Apple fan-boy >>>> bigging up their iPhone by showing us how "useful" it is, from the >>>> lightsabre noises it can make to the fact that there is an app for >>>> everything (including the cure for AIDS) >>>> >>>> Not wanting to reignite the old MS v Apple debate or anything :-) >>>> >>>> 2009/7/15 David Lum <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Your boss might want to consider how hard it may or may not be to >>>>> find someone to handle the XSERVE thing as well, the talent pool will be >>>>> smaller and (I would expect) the salaries to be higher. I know of some Mac >>>>> users that love their Macs unless they need help with it, because so many >>>>> folks are PC types.. >>>>> >>>>> Also "I have been told that 150 users can be better managed on two >>>>> XSERVE's than on a Windows Active directory network" >>>>> Have them define “manage”. I would expect it manages Mac’s better J. >>>>> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER >>>>> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION >>>>> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 >>>>> P.S. I have to LOL Za, I have a Optiplex 745 with 64-bit XP running >>>>> VMWare Workstation and it is hosting my dev environment: SQL server, web >>>>> server, misc. development servers (W2K8, Moss2K7, SCCM, etc) and a VM of >>>>> Win >>>>> XP. Of course, I can only power up about 4 VM’s at a time, but… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Vue, Za [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:19 AM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: RE: Apple vs Microsoft? >>>>> >>>>> Where does the boss get the idea that a Mac environment will be a >>>>> better long term move? >>>>> >>>>> I still manage one Xserve. Attached to it is an Xraid with 16 hard >>>>> drives. Used exclusively for data storage. One 400 GB hard drive failed in >>>>> last 3 years. Controller B was also replaced on the X-Raid. The server is >>>>> attached to a Win08 AD. Overall the system works well but I am just not a >>>>> proponent of Mac OS. AD integration has greatly improved with the latest >>>>> OS. >>>>> >>>>> A Dell Optiplex running Windows 2008 for under $1000 can handle 150 >>>>> users but maybe your company has money to spend. Get two Optiplex'es and >>>>> cluster them and attach a disk array. The cheapest single Xserve is >>>>> currently $2999.00 and comes only with a 7200 160gig HD. Customize the >>>>> system to your requirements and you are looking at $6000-$7000 per server. >>>>> Just to remote into the server requires a $300 extra software. Crazy >>>>> man.. I >>>>> torrent the damn thing instead. :) >>>>> >>>>> I have a Dell Optiplex 745, 3.0 Ghz, 6/GB RAM, 2x250 GB HD set up as a >>>>> 64/bit Win08 DC and print server for 23 networked printers. I have 160 >>>>> users >>>>> & 400+ students in the department. The darn thing is as quiet as my >>>>> laptop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Z.V. >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: Shawn [[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:01 PM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: Apple vs Microsoft? >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone here have any experience, good or bad, regarding the Apple >>>>> XSERVE being utilized to host email, data storage, open directory, etc as >>>>> an >>>>> equivalent replacement for Microsoft Server? We are currently running SBS >>>>> 2003 and have 40 users, but will soon be upping that number to 150. My >>>>> boss >>>>> insists that moving everything over to a Mac environment will be a better >>>>> long term move, but I am a bit hesitant without having some outside data >>>>> to >>>>> back that up. >>>>> >>>>> I have been told that 150 users can be better managed on two XSERVE's >>>>> than on a Windows Active directory network, yet I have had a rough time >>>>> finding any direct comparisons. >>>>> >>>>> If any of you have experience running either a mixed environment with >>>>> both OS X Server and Windows Server or just a pure OS X environment w/ Mac >>>>> clients as well, I would be interested to hear what your take on this is. >>>>> >>>>> I would also be very interested to here from anyone that has done a >>>>> migration from Active directory to Open directory, along with any >>>>> challenges >>>>> on the user end. What challenges did you face? Are there any specifics >>>>> that >>>>> you can offer regarding stability, administration, etc? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for any input you can provide. >>>>> >>>>> Shawn >>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>> >>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use >>>>> of >>>>> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >>>>> information. 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