Yup, what Vicky said. I've read too many stories like yours Scott, so when I hear those radio ads, I KNOW it's not true and it just ticks me off actually that they are even doing it. But, like they are saying in their ad, stimulus money is available....and I don't want this to denigrate into a political discussion but it just makes me angry when an unscrupulous company is capitalizing on a government handout and preying on clueless people and they won't be able to make good on their promises of a great paying career in IT.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Vicky Spelshaus <[email protected] > wrote: > Ouch! just ouch. > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Scott Williamson < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> At least everybody here has a job. I lost my job in March.. The >> recession hurt our online sales (50% drop in sales). The owner, who had no >> clue when it came to SEO/SEM, decided to make all these changes to get it in >> top of the search engines. He ignored the employees, including our marketing >> person. We said this would hurt us even more. Boom!... an 80% drop in sales. >> From over $40,000 a day in online sale to just over $8,000 in six months. >> The owner kept assuring us that the company has been through this before and >> we will weather is out. The company has over $2 millions in reserves (found >> out this was not true). >> >> The owner quietly sold the business under us. We came to work and it was >> closed. Your paychecks will be sent in the mail. It never came. Company >> filed for bankruptcy the same day it closed. I went from 115K a year as the >> IT Director to $450 a week on unemployment. If figured with 15 years IT >> experience, a Masters in Information Systems, a PMP, A+, Network+, MCP, and >> advanced ColdFusion certified, I could find a job. >> >> Nope... Over 200 positions I have applied or sent my resume to and I got >> only one interview for an System Administrator making $55,000. The only way >> I got the interview was because I has to dumb down my resume. Did not get >> the job. They found someone with more experience and the HR person said that >> over 300 people applied for the position.. Three years ago, they could >> barely get 5 to apply. Recruiters are no help. >> >> I do have family in the Dallas area, and got a couple hits from companies >> in Dalles. But the both stated that because I am out of town, they feel I >> will leave when things pick up. Not true. I am looking to get out of >> California! >> >> So.. it is now August. My savings is dried up and my wife makes $40,000 a >> year as a dental assistant.. Not enough in Southern California. Mortgage >> company will not do a forbearance so we have to move out of our house and >> live with my brother. But the rent wont cover the mortgage and we have >> already accepted the fact that we will lose our house. I have spent $3,000 >> on two attorneys to help us with the mortgage company.. no help. >> >> I get a kick reading that IT jobs are the hot jobs and they are hard to >> fill. Not enough skilled workers. I have not experienced that. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "Ziots, Edward" <[email protected]> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:34:23 AM >> *Subject:* RE: OT: Salary rant >> >> I agree, right now, a lot if not most companies are “bleeding a nickel” >> when it comes to getting maximum productivity out of workers, on top of >> reducing costs any and every way they can. I don’t see this trend ending for >> a few years to come. >> >> >> >> Like its been said before for those that get raises ( Ours have been >> frozen too, and possibly for longer for just this year) along with the raise >> in paying more for your benefits, less in the 401K, 403B, and no training >> budget) be happy you have a job and a roof over your head, it could be a lot >> worse, and quiet quickly.. >> >> >> >> I agree use the opportunity to stand out, put in the time, (and we all >> know it isn’t a 40 hr work week, you are lucky if you get away with 60-70 >> hrs a week now a days) learn all you can learn with new technologies, and >> bide your time. >> >> >> >> Z >> >> >> >> Edward Ziots >> >> Network Engineer >> >> Lifespan Organization >> >> MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + >> >> [email protected] >> >> Phone:401-639-3505 >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:17 PM >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: OT: Salary rant >> >> >> >> Guess I shouldn't complain about our 1% raise company wide. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Sam Cayze <[email protected]> >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:49 PM >> >> *Subject:* RE: OT: Salary rant >> >> >> >> Well put, nice words Andy. (And others). >> >> >> >> They might be lowballing to find someone serious about the position, not >> the paycheck. If you bite, they may make it worth your while if you are >> committed. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:27 PM >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* RE: OT: Salary rant >> >> Chris, >> >> It’s tough out there no doubt and I feel your pain, many of us that are >> employed are right there with you. Salary cuts, benefit cost increases, >> insurance coverage decreases, 401(k)s turning into 101(k)s, furloughs, >> FREAKIN’ COMISSION PLAN RESTRUCTURES (I fell better). The cut sucks, I >> understand, but you’re standing there with an FULL TIME OFFER LETTER. To >> many IT guys that are stupid smart are now bagging groceries… >> >> >> >> I encourage everyone in this situation to look long term; the here and now >> is not fun but it is temporary. “This too, shall pass”, wrote the psalmist. >> I would use the opportunity you have been given to rise above the morale, >> fear\doom & gloom and stand out; i.e. all of you be the rock star in your >> current position(s). It’s a killer opportunity, as the fat has been trimmed >> and orgs are now focusing on everything & everyone with laser precision. >> >> >> >> Be the best… [1] >> >> >> >> Shook >> >> [1] This could be perceived as an unintentional Karate Kid reference >> (tournament music….*You’re the best, around. No one’s ever gunna beat >> you down*) but that was not the intent. J >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Bodnar < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I know I’m not going to get a any sympathy here, due to the unemployment >> rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent a little. Was hired as >> a contract to hire position last year. Great company, close to home, good >> salary. 6 months in they cut my salary by 10% to the contracting company, >> which was then passed on to me. I was told at the time, that if/when I was >> offered full time employment, I would be brought on with the initial salary >> I had started at. Just go the official offer, and it’s 5% below that. I know >> I should be thankful I even have a job, which I am. But I still feel like >> they are low-balling me just because of the economy. If the economy would be >> better and more IT jobs out there, I’d tell them to take a hike and see what >> happens. Can’t afford to do that right now with a mortgage and 2 kids. For >> once I just wish someone would offer me what was promised. Sorry, not >> looking to offend anyone out there. Just blowing off some steam. >> >> Chris >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't >> handle stress and caffeine. - unknown >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't > handle stress and caffeine. - unknown > > > > > > -- Sherry Abercrombie "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Azle, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
