Actually Prop 13 doesn't limit government spending from what I understand - it seems to limit government revenue raising options. Whether that is "good" or not is entirely subjective.
California seems to have gotten gerrymandering down to a fine art - crippling the legislative process due to the type of people who get elected, whilst the general populace (as you have noted) seem to revel in voting for propositions that seem pile on top of each other to limit the ability of the government to respond to changing conditions. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2009 4:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Salary rant Prop 13 was the start of something good - limitations on government spending. Unfortunately, though foreseeably and inevitably, legislative critters didn't want the shackles of reality, and kept spending regardless. They refuse to stick to a budget that is less than or equal to the income available. It's the nature of the beast. ���A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.��� Author unknown, but first known use is in The Daily Oklahoman 1959-12-09 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:56, RAY ZORZ<[email protected]> wrote: > Lot's of Californians point to prop 13 as the beginning of the problems. > >>>> Tim Vander Kooi <[email protected]> 8/13/2009 8:11 AM >>> > What the state of California has managed to prove faster than the rest of the > United States is that while stealing from the rich to give to the poor sounds > wonderful in a story like Robin Hood, it does not work in real life. All you > manage to do is make everyone poor. > TVK > > > From: Eric Woodford [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:25 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Salary rant > > So take it out of the pockets for all the employees for one of the largest > employers in the state. In turn, we spend less, and contribute less to the > sales tax base for everyone. Dominoe effect -> We have small businesses that > are forced to close because the state employees are not there 3 days a week > (good bye local deli), less spending on luxury items (good bye furniture > store) and less large item purchase (good bye car-dealer, see ya' next year > new car). > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, RAY ZORZ > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > But clearly CA has serious budget issues.���Something has to give. > >>>> "Joe Heaton" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> 8/12/2009 1:32 PM >>> > Our republican governator has been fighting with our Democratic > legislature, and using the state workers as pawns in his games�� He > threatened federal minimum wage late last year, and he may bring that > back into the picture come May-June of next year, when they're trying > to establish a budget for 2010/2011.���I'm part of a union that came to > an agreement on a contract in early Feb., and he had his Republican > cronies squash the passing of the contract at that time, because it > limited members to a single furlough day, and had unprecedented layoff > protections in it�� I hear that it may come back to the floor during > their next session, but I honestly can't see it passing now either�� > It wouldn't be as bad if we didn't require a 2/3 majority for so many > things, such as the budget, and the contract thing. > > Joe Heaton > Employment Training Panel > > -----Original Message----- > From: RAY ZORZ > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:22 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Salary rant > > Our republican governor is still arguing with our republican congress > about the budget. > > Some things aren't quite done yet.���Some agencies, however, have taken > big hits already. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
