>From what I have seen and continue to see, politicians will spend until there is nothing left to spend. I would prefer they not have the money to spend and I am a state worker and I have not gotten a pay increase in 2 years and there is none projected for this year. I did see that they could find the money to match funds with the Fed's to do things too bad the Fed's don't give a rat's ... about the workers as long as the taxes keep getting taken.
Jon On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM, RAY ZORZ <[email protected]> wrote: > Right. Heaven forbid anybody in the state a get a raise, a new school, > more teachers, more cops, firemen, equipment, infrastructure repairs, > etc etc. Perhaps you've heard healthcare prices keep rising? Gas > prices? > > > >>> Kurt Buff <[email protected]> 8/15/2009 12:59 PM >>> > Prop 13 was the start of something good - limitations on government > spending. > > Unfortunately, though foreseeably and inevitably, legislative critters > didn't want the shackles of reality, and kept spending regardless. > They refuse to stick to a budget that is less than or equal to the > income available. It's the nature of the beast. > > “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can > only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out > of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the > candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy > collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be > followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.” Author unknown, but > first known use is in The Daily Oklahoman 1959-12-09 > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:56, RAY ZORZ<[email protected]> > wrote: > > Lot's of Californians point to prop 13 as the beginning of the > problems. > > > >>>> Tim Vander Kooi <[email protected]> 8/13/2009 8:11 AM >>> > > What the state of California has managed to prove faster than the > rest of the United States is that while stealing from the rich to give > to the poor sounds wonderful in a story like Robin Hood, it does not > work in real life. All you manage to do is make everyone poor. > > TVK > > > > > > From: Eric Woodford [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:25 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Salary rant > > > > So take it out of the pockets for all the employees for one of the > largest employers in the state. In turn, we spend less, and contribute > less to the sales tax base for everyone. Dominoe effect -> We have small > businesses that are forced to close because the state employees are not > there 3 days a week (good bye local deli), less spending on luxury items > (good bye furniture store) and less large item purchase (good bye > car-dealer, see ya' next year new car). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, RAY ZORZ > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > But clearly CA has serious budget issues. Something has to give. > > > >>>> "Joe Heaton" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > 8/12/2009 1:32 PM >>> > > Our republican governator has been fighting with our Democratic > > legislature, and using the state workers as pawns in his games. He > > threatened federal minimum wage late last year, and he may bring > that > > back into the picture come May-June of next year, when they're trying > to > > establish a budget for 2010/2011. I'm part of a union that came to > an > > agreement on a contract in early Feb., and he had his Republican > cronies > > squash the passing of the contract at that time, because it limited > > members to a single furlough day, and had unprecedented layoff > > protections in it. I hear that it may come back to the floor during > > their next session, but I honestly can't see it passing now either. > It > > wouldn't be as bad if we didn't require a 2/3 majority for so many > > things, such as the budget, and the contract thing. > > > > Joe Heaton > > Employment Training Panel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RAY ZORZ > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:22 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Salary rant > > > > Our republican governor is still arguing with our republican > congress > > about the budget. > > > > Some things aren't quite done yet. Some agencies, however, have > taken > > big hits already. > > > >>>> Vicky Spelshaus > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > 8/12/2009 1:09 PM >>> > > Wisconsin isn't.. We were told 16 days - 8/year. The funny (?) > part > > is > > that we aren't allowed to take more than one per pay period. Some > of > > the > > workers would actually qualify for unemployment if they took more > than 8 > > hrs > > per check. > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, RAY ZORZ > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > >> Ours (AZ) is still up in the air on the furloughs. > >> > >> >>> "Joe Heaton" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > 8/12/2009 12:21 PM >>> > >> I'm already hearing "rumors" that we could get a 4th, and even 5th > >> furlough day, in the next few months. Depending on how much more > the > >> state's income drops off. > >> > >> > >> > >> Joe Heaton > >> > >> Employment Training Panel > >> > >> > >> > >> From: J Kyo [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:19 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: Salary rant > >> > >> > >> > >> We just took a 14% pay cut (work for State of California). Yes, I > do > >> feel for you. Venting works wonders sometimes. > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Carol Fee > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> Do you have any idea how many people the world over are taking pay > > cuts > >> these days ? > >> > >> > >> CFee > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Christopher Bodnar > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:49 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: OT: Salary rant > >> > >> I know I'm not going to get a any sympathy here, due to the > > unemployment > >> rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent a little. Was > > hired > >> as a contract to hire position last year. Great company, close to > > home, > >> good salary. 6 months in they cut my salary by 10% to the > contracting > >> company, which was then passed on to me. I was told at the time, > that > >> if/when I was offered full time employment, I would be brought on > with > >> the initial salary I had started at. Just go the official offer, > and > >> it's 5% below that. I know I should be thankful I even have a job, > > which > >> I am. But I still feel like they are low-balling me just because of > > the > >> economy. If the economy would be better and more IT jobs out there, > > I'd > >> tell them to take a hike and see what happens. Can't afford to do > that > >> right now with a mortgage and 2 kids. For once I just wish someone > > would > >> offer me what was promised. Sorry, not looking to offend anyone out > >> there. 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