Sorry for the rant guys and gals this is just a sore point for me. Jon
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > To respond to both you and Ken, the state of Florida has a requirement of a > balanced budget and it calls for a surplus incase of major down swing in the > economy. That said it does not keep the politicians from spending every > last penny on wasted projects that they can squeeze into the budget. Like > rebuilding beaches only accessable to the rich, I have no problem with them > doing public beaches just think those with million dollar homes should foot > the bill for their own beach restoration. They also rebuild roads just > because they have the money to do so instead of paving someones dirt road. > They expect the homeowner to pay to have it paved first then the government > will maintain the road. How about putting money into cleaning up sewage I > don't see them doing that either. Once again they want the homeowners > without a central sewage treatment to foot the bill for the upgrades and not > get around to doing theres for years. > > Jon > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Maglinger, Paul > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Government has to overspend all of their tax dollars to justify tax >> increases. If they don't spend everything and they have a surplus, that >> means that taxes were too high to begin with and the people raise hell about >> that! And God forbid that we should ever have a balanced budget... >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 9:17 AM >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: Salary rant >> >> From what I have seen and continue to see, politicians will spend until >> there is nothing left to spend. I would prefer they not have the money to >> spend and I am a state worker and I have not gotten a pay increase in 2 >> years and there is none projected for this year. I did see that they could >> find the money to match funds with the Fed's to do things too bad the Fed's >> don't give a rat's ... about the workers as long as the taxes keep getting >> taken. >> >> Jon >> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM, RAY ZORZ <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Right. Heaven forbid anybody in the state a get a raise, a new school, >>> more teachers, more cops, firemen, equipment, infrastructure repairs, >>> etc etc. Perhaps you've heard healthcare prices keep rising? Gas >>> prices? >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt Buff <[email protected]> 8/15/2009 12:59 PM >>> >>> Prop 13 was the start of something good - limitations on government >>> spending. >>> >>> Unfortunately, though foreseeably and inevitably, legislative critters >>> didn't want the shackles of reality, and kept spending regardless. >>> They refuse to stick to a budget that is less than or equal to the >>> income available. It's the nature of the beast. >>> >>> “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can >>> only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out >>> of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the >>> candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy >>> collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be >>> followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.” Author unknown, but >>> first known use is in The Daily Oklahoman 1959-12-09 >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:56, RAY ZORZ<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Lot's of Californians point to prop 13 as the beginning of the >>> problems. >>> > >>> >>>> Tim Vander Kooi <[email protected]> 8/13/2009 8:11 AM >>> >>> > What the state of California has managed to prove faster than the >>> rest of the United States is that while stealing from the rich to give >>> to the poor sounds wonderful in a story like Robin Hood, it does not >>> work in real life. All you manage to do is make everyone poor. >>> > TVK >>> > >>> > >>> > From: Eric Woodford [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:25 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: Re: Salary rant >>> > >>> > So take it out of the pockets for all the employees for one of the >>> largest employers in the state. In turn, we spend less, and contribute >>> less to the sales tax base for everyone. Dominoe effect -> We have small >>> businesses that are forced to close because the state employees are not >>> there 3 days a week (good bye local deli), less spending on luxury items >>> (good bye furniture store) and less large item purchase (good bye >>> car-dealer, see ya' next year new car). >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, RAY ZORZ >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> > But clearly CA has serious budget issues. Something has to give. >>> > >>> >>>> "Joe Heaton" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> 8/12/2009 1:32 PM >>> >>> > Our republican governator has been fighting with our Democratic >>> > legislature, and using the state workers as pawns in his games. He >>> > threatened federal minimum wage late last year, and he may bring >>> that >>> > back into the picture come May-June of next year, when they're trying >>> to >>> > establish a budget for 2010/2011. I'm part of a union that came to >>> an >>> > agreement on a contract in early Feb., and he had his Republican >>> cronies >>> > squash the passing of the contract at that time, because it limited >>> > members to a single furlough day, and had unprecedented layoff >>> > protections in it. I hear that it may come back to the floor during >>> > their next session, but I honestly can't see it passing now either. >>> It >>> > wouldn't be as bad if we didn't require a 2/3 majority for so many >>> > things, such as the budget, and the contract thing. >>> > >>> > Joe Heaton >>> > Employment Training Panel >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: RAY ZORZ >>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:22 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: Re: Salary rant >>> > >>> > Our republican governor is still arguing with our republican >>> congress >>> > about the budget. >>> > >>> > Some things aren't quite done yet. Some agencies, however, have >>> taken >>> > big hits already. >>> > >>> >>>> Vicky Spelshaus >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> 8/12/2009 1:09 PM >>> >>> > Wisconsin isn't.. We were told 16 days - 8/year. The funny (?) >>> part >>> > is >>> > that we aren't allowed to take more than one per pay period. Some >>> of >>> > the >>> > workers would actually qualify for unemployment if they took more >>> than 8 >>> > hrs >>> > per check. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, RAY ZORZ >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Ours (AZ) is still up in the air on the furloughs. >>> >> >>> >> >>> "Joe Heaton" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> 8/12/2009 12:21 PM >>> >>> >> I'm already hearing "rumors" that we could get a 4th, and even 5th >>> >> furlough day, in the next few months. Depending on how much more >>> the >>> >> state's income drops off. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Joe Heaton >>> >> >>> >> Employment Training Panel >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> From: J Kyo [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:19 PM >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >> Subject: Re: Salary rant >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> We just took a 14% pay cut (work for State of California). Yes, I >>> do >>> >> feel for you. Venting works wonders sometimes. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Carol Fee >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Do you have any idea how many people the world over are taking pay >>> > cuts >>> >> these days ? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> CFee >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Christopher Bodnar >>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:49 PM >>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >> Subject: OT: Salary rant >>> >> >>> >> I know I'm not going to get a any sympathy here, due to the >>> > unemployment >>> >> rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent a little. Was >>> > hired >>> >> as a contract to hire position last year. Great company, close to >>> > home, >>> >> good salary. 6 months in they cut my salary by 10% to the >>> contracting >>> >> company, which was then passed on to me. I was told at the time, >>> that >>> >> if/when I was offered full time employment, I would be brought on >>> with >>> >> the initial salary I had started at. Just go the official offer, >>> and >>> >> it's 5% below that. I know I should be thankful I even have a job, >>> > which >>> >> I am. But I still feel like they are low-balling me just because of >>> > the >>> >> economy. If the economy would be better and more IT jobs out there, >>> > I'd >>> >> tell them to take a hike and see what happens. Can't afford to do >>> that >>> >> right now with a mortgage and 2 kids. For once I just wish someone >>> > would >>> >> offer me what was promised. Sorry, not looking to offend anyone out >>> >> there. 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