I imagine you could do a partial install of SBS manually promote it to a DC, grab the FSMO roles, and then complete the SBS install wizard.
In fact, I believe that's exactly when I did when I transitioned our SBS to another server (physical to virtual), except I had the added step of adding a DC at the start of the process too. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:58 AM, John Aldrich <[email protected]>wrote: > Hmm… but it **will** take over an existing Active Directory? I don’t want > to have to rebuild the AD from scratch. > > > > [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2009 8:46 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Mail server software > > > > You can have additional DCs but SBS\EBS has to hold all the FSMO roles… > > > > Shook > > > > *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2009 8:35 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Mail server software > > > > Interesting. Thanks for the info. I may look at EBS standard edition, as we > don’t have a huge need for SQL. Most of our databases are on the AS/400, so > that’s not an issue. J Here’s a question: Will EBS work in a 2003 Active > Directory, or will it, like SBS, want to be the only(?) DC for the entire > company? If so, that’s a non-starter. > > > > [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:19 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Mail server software > > > > Essential Business Server. Essentially (pardon the pun) SBS for up to 300 > desktops. > > > > If price is your one and only concern, regardless of features, > functionality, administration, etc., then by all means discount even looking > at exchange. > > > > To be fair, I’m a Small Business Specialist. For me and for my clients SBS > is in a price point that makes it an easy sell. It’s just too feature rich > to really have to look at anything else in this market space. I imagine if > I were back as the IT Manager of a mid-sized company with more than 75 > desktops, I would be looking at other options. I would, however have to > weigh my needs of certain features against the cost. I may have to review 2 > or 3 different products in a test environment. Find out if any products > cheaper than Exchange meet **all** of the requirements necessary. If it > doesn’t I’d have to weigh the value of the requirement against the price > difference before making my recommendation, especially when Exchange 2007 > CALs removed the Outlook component as part of the CAL to lower the CAL > cost. That has to be part of the decision. > > > > Exchange 2010 is a different beast. The loss of Outlook in the CAL is no > longer a strike against, as Exchange 2010 is fully functional from OWA, and > in some cases is actually a better client than Outlook 2007. > > > > *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:49 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Mail server software > > > > EBS? Not familiar with that term. Can you explain? Still… considering the > cost of some of the alternatives is **less** than half of Exchange it > seems to me that Exchange is awfully expensive. I can get a fully functional > mail server for less than $10k using an alternative email client that > doesn’t require an expensive “add-on” to back up the email database, and can > run on a free O/S (or on Windows Server, for that matter.) Yes, it’s true, > you don’t get any Outlook CALs, but if you already have Office, why do you > need Outlook CALs, other than to get everyone on the same version of > Outlook? > > > > [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:54 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Mail server software > > > > Your problem, John, is you’ve discounted, arguably, the best product on the > market based on 10 year old technology with arguments you didn’t > articulate. Exchange can be backed up natively from NTBackup quite nicely > and with a properly administered Deleted Items Retention policy you will > never have to restore an individual mailbox. Every major Anti-Virus player > has a version of their software that is “Exchange Aware” on install, even if > you choose not to install their Exchange scanning product to protect your > SMTP traffic. > > > > Even if cost is the only reason you want to discount Exchange you haven’t > mentioned what sweet spot is per user. Based on what you asked for in your > original post, discounting your “not Exchange” requirement I still would say > your best solution is Exchange. I happen to notice you mentioned 200 users, > which puts you out of the range of SBS, but not EBS. Have you priced that > as a solution? > > > > *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 2:01 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Mail server software > > > > I agree, I did not articulate my requirements very well. However, I * > ass-u-med* that any admin in their right mind would want to be able to > back up their mail server. Maybe it’s just me??? Same issue with Antivirus. > Or maybe you run your mail server without antivirus? > > > > I have to admit my experience with Exchange is limited to Exchange 5.5 (I > think it was) about 4 years ago… I just remember that we had some issues > with viruses getting into the mail server and we couldn’t scan the mail > store as that would cause Exchange to die. Also had some problems when the > antivirus (Symantec Corporate Edition at the time) “ate” a log file that > Exchange was wanting and caused the system to crash. > > > > So, yeah, I’m anti-Exchange both from a cost perspective and a perspective > of someone who’s worked with an admittedly out-dated version. That being > said, my understanding is that the above facts have not changed > significantly since Ex 5.5. If they have, great, but that still leaves the > fact that Exchange is horribly expensive. > > > > [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] > > > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 4:17 > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Mail server software > > > > Maybe I'm being obtuse, but you didn't state all of your objectives > clearly. The backup wasn't a requirement until later in your thread, as > well as the anti-virus/backup plugin issue. You also left off a no-hosting > requirement, because you were bringing it back in house. > > I get the impression that you don't know what you want, except that you > don't want Exchange, for reasons that haven't been effectuviley articulated > and seem to be poorly defined upfront to those trying to assist you. > > > > -Jonathan > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, but you don't have any way to restore *just one message* with > NTBackup. > :-) Agree that I should have been a bit more specific... If you want to be > able to back up mailbox by mailbox, etc. you have to "pay to play" with > Exchange. Other email server software, no so much. :-) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cook [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:59 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Mail server software > > Not to discount what you know about Exchange but... > 1. I don't think any DB should be scanned by an AV program that doesn't > recognize it as such. Ninja is stellar at this. > 2. I'm backing up my E2K7 DBs with the native windowsbackup, no extra cost > to me. > > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > 315 SE 2nd Ave > Gainesville, Fl 32601 > Office (352) 393-2741 x320 > Cell (352) 215-6944 > Fax (352) 393-2746 > MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:43 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Mail server software > > Exactly! That's one of my concerns... Antivirus has to be told to overlook > certain directories and you have to have an "exchange-aware" antivirus or > buy a special "plugin" for the antivirus to allow it to scan the Exchange > > DB. AFAIK, most of the "alternatives" (at least Kerio) doesn't have this > restriction. > > Not to mention having to buy special add-ons for your archiving solution > just to back up the email store. Oh, and while it's not a problem now, up > until the most recent version of Exchange, you couldn't have more than one > message store and if it got too big, it would virtually implode from being > so big. > > On the reasons why I don't like Outlook, the 2 GB PST file size is a > biggie. > > :-) Although the main reason they get that big is that idiots like to send > large files via email...and email is NOT a file transfer application. :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:44 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Mail server software > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Desmond<[email protected]> > wrote: > > What's the problem with the database engine? There's been a massive > amount > > of engineering work in that space - I don't expect it's going anywhere. > > I can't speak for the OP... but the fact that the Exchange IS is a > giant binary blob, completely opaque for the most part, requiring > special tools to work with it, has always made me somewhat > uncomfortable. > > I worked with a Cyrus mail system once that was really sweet. It > could handle many more users on much smaller hardware vs Exchange at > the time, and all the mail was still stored in plain text files (one > per message). You could analyze the message store with the "more" > command if you had to. I don't think we ever had to, but it was nice > to know you had the option. > > I like simple systems; they tend to be more robust. Exchange has > always struck me as being more complex than it needed to be. In > particular, Exchange is pretty fragile when you mistreat it. There's > not much you can do to a Cryus mail server that will result in major > data loss; you can reconstruct from basics if you have to. Exchange, > sheesh, in 2000, all you had to do was run a file search against the > "M: drive" and the server would implode. > > On my list of things to worry about, all this is pretty low down on > my list, but it's not my ideal situation. > > -- Ben > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: 08/17/09 > 06:08:00 > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or > attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity > to > which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), > confidential and/or privileged material. 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Please don't print this e-mail unless you really > need to. > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: 08/17/09 > 06:08:00 > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: 08/17/09 > 06:08:00 > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 > 06:05:00 > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 > 06:04:00 > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 > 06:04:00 > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
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