Yeah! Good old Computer Shopper! That replaced the Sears & Roebuck, JC Penny, 
and Montgomery Wards catalogs for me!
 Sad...but true... :)


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<BLOCKED::mailto:%[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/>

________________________________
From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

I remember Compute!. When ABC Publishing bought them out, that was it. More 
advertisement than tech info.

Remember the 'Computer Shopper'? ABC Publishing bought them, too. I remember 
that I could hardly wait to ger my hands on the Computer Shopper. There were 
times that the magazine's spine was over an inch thick... and all those good 
deals and tech info. I miss that publication.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Raper, Jonathan 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ok, so I'm WAY late on this one, but I have to chime in...

My first computer was a Commodore 64, but I remember my dad tinkering with a 
PET. We also had the portable version of the C-64 that had about a 4-5" CRT 
display built in, along with a 5.25" floppy. The keyboard snapped over the 
display and floppy...

Also, I remember getting ours to talk - really cool for the early-mid eighties.

We were members of TCUG (Triad Commodore User's Group), based in Greensboro, 
NC. Where COMPUTE! Publications was based.

Now for the REALLY interesting tidbit...the corporate headquarters for my 
company, Eagle Physicians, is located at 324 West Wendover Avenue, Suite 200....

The SAME EXACT address where COMPUTE! Publications was based before it started 
going by the wayside. I was still getting some mail (because I was the only IT 
guy at the time) back in 99 and 2000...

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<http://www.eaglemds.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Steven M. 
Caesare<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Indeed. Too bad they never thrived after transitioning
> to the x86 world, as they obviously had some amazing
> coding talent.

 Yah.  That.  A lot of that.

> -virtual memory of sorts

 Oh, yah, I forgot about that.  PC/GEOS had memory swapping, too.
Not true "virtual memory", since that would require an MMU, and the
8086 didn't have one of those.

 No memory protection, for the same reason.  Their code crashed less
often than MS Windows does *with* an MMU, though.  :)  But I did have
things blow up on me on rare occasions.  The state restore came in
*real* handy then.

> -bank memory switching (unmapping the native c64 ROM to expose 16K additional 
> RAM)

 That kind of thing was less important on the PC, of course.  You had
a whopping 640 KB there.  ;-)

 PC/GEOS might have supported EMS and/or XMS, though.  I can't remember.

> -a pseudo pre-emptive OS (no multiple apps, but the OS could preempt the app)

 Yah, I don't know how they did preemption on the 8088, since there
was no hardware support for "real" processor tasks.  I assume
something driven off the timer interrupt.

> -programming environment w/ interactive resident debugger

 That didn't come with the "regular" GeoWorks product.  I suppose
their must have been an SDK of some kind somewhere.

> -office apps including word processor(with mail merge from the database), 
> spreadsheet(with charting), database, and page layout

 Sounds similar.  The PC flavor came with GeoWrite (word
processor/basic page layout), GeoCalc (spreadsheet), GeoDraw (vector
graphics), GeoFile (database), and GeoComm (modem/terminal).  And AOL.

> And a bunch of other stuff. All in 64K, which
> meant the kernel had to be _REALLY_ compact.

 Yah, that's way more impressive than even 640 KB.  64 KB is *tiny*.

> http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/onrequest/geos.html

 Neat.  It's amazing they did all that on a C64!  Heh, it even
supported Klingon! :-D

 Hey, I found a page on PC/GEOS:

http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray/geos/history_contents.html

 That backs up my claim that the AOL GUI was originally done by
including the PC/GEOS core with AOL.  It also mentions an early beta
which included UI drivers (we'd call them "themes" today) for Motif,
OpenLook, DeskMate, and IBM CUA.

 And, holy crap, there appears to be a company still maintaining and
selling PC/GEOS!

http://www.breadbox.com/

 It doesn't look like the apps have changed much.  I'm tempted to
download the trial just to check it out.  It was pretty fast even on
my 8088; I can't imagine it would be slow in a VM on my Core 2 Duo.
:-)

-- Ben

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