It's always a numbers game and it's most cost effective if you are buying a 
large % of new machines then you can add SA and get with the program. Once you 
are with one agreement then it's only the SA to worry about. In a lot of cases 
it's about cash flow short term and only after 6-7 years that you actually save 
money - which is difficult in the current climate. We are Authorised 
Educational Resellers and have all sorts of spreadsheets for running the 
numbers.

Pricing is not really about if Microsoft cares, but rather if the distributor 
cares and can take it up with Microsoft. Over the years we have seen all sorts 
of anomalies in products. Also keep a look out for the end of financial years 
and financial quarters. 

What helps if you plan with what you have a the moment and see where you want 
to be after the next refresh and then look at how interim purchases will slot 
into that plan. 

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 11 September 2009 10:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win 7 Price

The official number I came up with after months of research was 192 licenses 
being the breakeven point where buying an EA made sense, although Microsoft 
officially touts 250 as their official number. The EA is purchased directly 
from Microsoft (although you use a LAR to do the paperwork) so then they can 
negotiate price when you are in that space. Anything under that, and you are 
looking at eOpen or something similar which you would buy from whoever your 
favorite software vendor may be.
HTH,
Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Win 7 Price

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi <[email protected]> wrote:
> You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can 
> negotiate price with them  up front for Licenses and SA.

  How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care?  When I checked a few 
years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too 
small to have any negotiating leverage.  MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., 
Dell, CDW).  Reseller quotes their standard price.  :-(

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi <[email protected]> wrote:
> [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an 
> EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA 
> in for free.

  Sounds like this might be a "large vs small company" thing.
Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach.

-- Ben

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