Socialism? Sorry but Canada has a public health care system and i don't think Canada is suspect of being a socialist country. Neither any of the Europeans countries.
I remember reading about the collapse of General Motors retirement system. It simply worked when lot of workers were working for the company and automation wasn't as spread as it it now. It collapsed when the rate of people actually paying and being paid was too small. Sorry but it's not a question of being socialist, it's a question of statistics, efficiency and getting more from your bucks. And sorry, the general idea that taxing in Europe is much bigger than in the US is completely wrong. Where I'm from, Spain, taxing is around 20-25% like it is in the US. We get in return public education system (college can be $1,500 a year) and public health care (one of the best systems - actually Obama came to visit Spain to learn how it worked) and more importantly with less litigation for medical errors as you guys do in the US. Why? Because the system is more efficient. I know that the general American mindset is that paying more will get you a better service in return. It's an equation that is not always true. When it comes about hospitals, there are some articles on the internet which explain turn digital all medical records avoid lot of mistakes. I was impressed of learning how many medical errors were done just because the nurse didn't know the right dosis because it was hand written or swapped medications with some patients for not keeping the information right. When I lived in the US, I had to admit that salaries were much higher than in my country (not true with other EU countries) but I was horrified to learn how much could cost to raise a kid. European welfare system is far of being perfect, but there are things that people shouldn't renounce (public education and public health care). It just makes your life easier, specially when you get retired and you have a few money and probably need more fixing than when you are young :) Miguel --- El dom, 11/10/09, Thomas W Shinder <[email protected]> escribió: > De: Thomas W Shinder <[email protected]> > Asunto: RE: The future is here > Para: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> > Fecha: domingo, 11 octubre, 2009 2:10 > I think that's the ticket. Neither of > us expect to quit working. > > There's kids and grandkids to take care of -- and hope and > change and socialism aren't going to make it any easier for > us. > > Work hard, play hard -- learn and love to learn. And teach > the kids about the love of learning. > > Actually, Debi and I always talk about this, and both of us > get a smile about "offline vacations" and "retirement" - how > can you ever disconnect? There's new stuff coming all the > time, and that's where the fun is > > That's why I can't deal with hotels who disconnect me with > my livelihood and my learning. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:20 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: The future is here > > No secrets, but a Roth IRA is a good start. Living well > below your > means and saving a lot is a better one. I have problems > with the > latter, but am big into the former, as well has having a > 401k. We'll > see what those are worth if and when the time comes. > > Not only am I a couple of years older than you (I surmise, > based on > your comment), I have a new child - just 7 weeks old on > Monday. Scared > spitless in some ways, loving it in other ways. Definitely > won't be > able to fund his college very well, though I'll do what I > can. > > Don't really expect to quit working, just like you... > > Kurt > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 21:12, Thomas W Shinder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Well, I didÿÿÂÿÿ�ÿ©t inherit anything and I > never won a lottery or a law suit. > > Like most people on this list J > > > > > > > > If you have some secrets on how to make a million > before age 70 (which is > > over 20 years for me) with no 401K or > Sÿÿ ÿÿÑÿÿ ÿ£ let everyone else > knoÿÿÂÿÿ‚ÿÿУ in > > factÿÿ ÿÿÑÿÿ ÿ©d like to know your trick > too! ÿÿÂÿÿ�ÿ©m rowing as fast as I can, so > > any help is appreciated. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, I need my Internet in hotels so I can > continue to make a buck, > > even onÿÿ ÿÿЬvacatÿÿ ÿÿÑÿÿ ÿ J > > > > > > > > From: Don Ely [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:45 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: The future is here > > > > > > > > Neither am I and I'm much younger than you...ÿ > ÿÿ And Kurt for that > > matter.ÿÿ hehehehehe > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Thomas W Shinder > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Yes, but I'm not depending on Social Security ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:11 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: The future is here > > > > All work and no play makes Tom a grave man.... > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 19:48, Thomas W Shinder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> Some of us > ÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿ�ÿÿÂÿÿ‚ÿÿвt get > vacatÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿœÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿÐÿÿ ÿÿЬ > we always > ÿÿ ÿÿâÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿ�ÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿÐÿÿ¬ > so > >> we always need the Internet. > >> > >> > >> > >> If the hotel > advertiseÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿ�ÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿâÿÿÂÿÿ ÿ¬ > then it should be available. > >> Otherwise, they can really hurt those > wÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿœÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿâÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿвt > havÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿâÿÿÂÿÿ£paid > >> > vacÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿœÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿâÿÿâÿ� > > > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Don Ely [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:19 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: The future is here > >> > >> > >> > >> I depend on it when I am at work, when I'm on > vacation I wish it didn't > >> exist... > >> > >> > >> > > > >> Oh and > HÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿœÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿ Long time no > see... > > > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Thomas W Shinder > <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> You > betÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿâÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿÂÿÿ ÿ²s a > bad thing. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Many of us depend on the Internet to make a > living. > >> > >> > >> > > > >> DidnÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ ÿÿÐÿÿ²t you get that > memo? J > > > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Don Ely [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:18 PM > >> > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> > >> Subject: Re: The future is here > >> > >> > >> > >> You say this like it's a bad thing... > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Glen Johnson > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > > >> I just got home from a week in Fort Lauderdale > Florida, stayed at a pretty > >> nice reÿÿÂÿÿ ÿÿ�ÿÿÂÿÿ”ÿÿ’ÿ > No internet access in our room, wired or wireless. > > > >> > >> Had to go to the lobby to get a wireless > connection and then it was out a > >> couple of days. > >> > >> They sure didn't put their money in internet > access. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> From: Leif Wahlberg [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > >> Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 1:39 PM > >> > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: The future is here > >> > >> > >> > >> I am in Korea on a gig and is staying at a hotel > in New Songdo City. > >> > >> > >> > >> When I plugged my laptop into the network cable at > the work desk and then > >> checked my connection it showed me that I had a > public IP and when I did an > >> ADSL speed test, it gave me 80 Mbps in and 15 Mbps > out. 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