Exactly.  That's why I suggested throttling the bandwidth for those
things...  Mark important services as a priority, with streaming being
the lowest.  That's how you manage a network.

We have a coffee maker and a fridge for employees that would blow a fuse
because the circuit was overloaded; it killed all the power for a cube
of 4 workers frequently.  (Really, true story).
I allocated a different circuit to be used for those things to free up
electricity for where it was needed more.  That's how you manage
electricity.

See where I am going with this?

Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS

If all of your staff plugs in a radio, does it prevent staff from
turning on their lights?  I'm guessing not.  However, if all of your
staff starts streaming radio, it can (at least in many environments)
prevent staff from getting to internet resources they need to do their
jobs.  I can't speak for anybody else out there, but we have run into
that kind of problem in the past when we couldn't effectively prevent
unauthorized streaming access.  May or may not be an issue for small
shops, but when you have ~1000 users, it adds up.

Bill Mayo 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS

True, it's not a perfect argument, but here we do pay more for power
than Internet.  Just trying to change the perspective of the way we look
at it.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS


That is the same in wording only.
The pipe electricity comes down is so much larger and cheaper than the
pipe 
bandwidth for streaming radio comes down.
That is exactly the apples and oranges conversation.  Both are edible
(play 
music), both are good for you (consume power or bandwidth), and both are
not 
required (you could be working instead).

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sam Cayze" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:41 PM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: INTERNET SLOWNESS

> The company also provides power; can they plug in a radio and use your

> electricity?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: INTERNET SLOWNESS
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sam Cayze <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> You fire people for Streaming Radio?  Yikes.
>
>  FWIW: We haven't, but we do have it in our policy manual that
> streaming media without a business purpose is forbidden, and subject
> to disciplinary action.  I have had to have a few people formally
> written up, but it's never gone beyond that.
>
>  We also endeavor to block that stuff at the proxy server, but
> filtering is imperfect.
>
>> If the network suffers, the whole business suffers -
>> but that's IT's fault, not the person streaming a radio station.
>
>  They get disciplined for flagrantly disregarding company policy, not
> for harming the network.  We always stop it before it comes to harm.
>
>  I've got no objection to streaming radio on principle; it's just a
> question of resources.  The company isn't providing an Internet feed
> so people can listen to the radio on their PC, and we're not about to
> spend money upgrading it for that, either.
>
> -- Ben
>
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