Ø "If an organization is large enough to produce its own, then the benefits of it using the cloud are diminished"
I don't think you can generalize that. Here at NIH there are the resources for the scientific community to build their own stuff... yet they may need a 500 node compute cluster for only 10% of the time in Lab A, and another institute may need a 1000 node cluster for 20 % of the time somewhere else on campus. Rinse and repeat across several other institutes on the campus. Each org could build their own infrastructure... but it's much more effective to consider consolidating and allowing the orgs to provision what they need and use it when they need it. It's not really unlike a timeshare system with the end-user accessible unit being a VM rather than a terminal (in some cases.... Other SOA services are offer access to more primitives). -sc From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cloud computing... your opinions Again, though, it comes down to economies of scale. If an organization is large enough to produce its own, then the benefits of it using the cloud are diminished. And if an organization has deep pockets, it can reproduce internally what others can only experience by joining a larger community. In our case, we have neither economies of scale nor deep pockets. John From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cloud computing... your opinions The thing is that when I control the facility myself, then I can build my own redundant systems. For instance we have MPLS, MAN and satellite connections between all of our facilities for redundancy on many levels. When you move to the cloud I no longer have the ability to do that (Microsoft is not going to let me install satellite dishes on their roof to ensure email continues to flow if my landline gets cut. That one issue is a complete show stopper for us. The areas of security and everything mentioned would probably be factors too if they were even worth looking into, but they are not. Tim From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cloud computing... your opinions Others have already offered great input-things like vetting the cloud vendor to ensure security is what it needs to be (both for internal needs and regulatory purposes), and planning/maintaining an exit strategy from the start. Our most mission-critical data as a school district is our finance/HR data and our student records. We *already* store this data in the cloud; it's housed at a data center at Florida State University and we access it across the Internet. Their data center has huge generators, redundant high-speed connections, off-site backups and peering agreements in New York, and is built to withstand a category 5 hurricane. There's no way we could do all of that ourselves. Only through taking advantage of economies of scale-which is one of the two huge benefits of cloud computing (in addition to availability from any machine/location that has Internet connectivity)-can we accomplish this. As for Tim's concern that cloud computing makes organizations one wrong backhoe dig from shutting down... Well, we're already in that position, even with the data we host ourselves. Our schools tie back to our network operations center via fiber, and if their fiber gets cut they lose access to that data. So for us, moving data to the cloud doesn't present much additional risk in that regard. Our Internet connectivity is reliable enough that we're comfortable using the cloud on an increasing basis. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Cloud computing... your opinions We're working on cloud computing initiatives (like everyone), and I'm also doing a fair amount of research into the area. (Of course, the whole idea of "cloud computing" is itself fairly silly, when it's just a renaming of the concept of a network-connected computer. But whatever, it's the hot topic.) There are areas where it makes sense, such as email filtering. Web filtering, well maybe not so much. CRM (like SalesForce.com), makes sense. I'm curious -- what are your thoughts on cloud computing? What might be the security questions you would ask your cloud computing vendors? What irks you about it? What is good about it? Alex Alex Eckelberry, CEO Sunbelt Software 33 N. 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