+1 for Jason.

What he describes below is exactly what we do, only our subnet mask is /16. We 
have vlans for network gear, vlans for wireless users, vlans for wired users, 
etc. We've actually increased the complexity of our network considerably, 
largely because of rolling out 802.11n enterprise wide, and needing more 
granular control of groups of users and equipment.

For your situation, I would consider just opening up the subnet mask a few 
digits if you're in a pain point of needing immediate relief. (Not necessarily 
all the way to /16, though, because it is easy for tings to get out of control 
if it isn't planned out well.)

Ultimately, I'd seriously consider vlans, even if only to segment a couple of 
departments and your core infrastructure (Sales, R&D, Manufacturing, 
Administration, IT/Servers, etc). If you have/get Cisco 3560 or 3750 switchgear 
with the enhanced image, you can route from vlan to vlan no problem, and you 
won't need another router to do it. I know Cisco isn't the only kid on the 
block, but it's what I've got experience with and I know it works. I'm betting 
you could do the same with HP Procurve or even D-Link, so long as your switch 
will do routing. Even if it doesn't, there may be a firmware upgrade that will 
allow you that possibility. You might have to pay for it, but in my opinion it 
is better/easier than having another piece of equipment to maintain.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
[email protected]<BLOCKED::mailto:%[email protected]>
www.eaglemds.com<BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/>

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From: Jason Morris [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need more IP addresses

+1 for Don.

If your equipment can handle it, it's best to vlan the network for both 
security and saturation.

What I do is break down the 10.0.0.0 network like this.
10.1.x.0/24
10.2.x.0/24
10.3.x.0/24

Where the second octect is my site. 1 = HQ, 2 = RemoteSite1, 3 = 
RemoteSite2...etc.
Each of the third octect x is my VLAN at my site. I use 10.1.10.0 to start my 
user vlans off. Then count up from there, 10.1.11.0. None of my remote sites 
are big enough to have anything other than 1 VLAn so for support purposes they 
will always be 10.x.10.0...unless they have voip which I vlan off to 10.x.99.0 
at all my sites.

I leave everything from 10.1.0.0-10.1.9.0 for me to play with for all 
servers/services/anything for the company.

My suggestion is to spend some time to put your thoughts in a spreadsheet 
before actually implementing it.

Just remember you'll need gateways for the VLANs to talk to each other. You'll 
also need "ip helper-address" (or non-cisco equivalent) for DHCP stuff.

Good luck.
Jason

From: Don Ely [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Need more IP addresses

Don't add another router...  How much do you know about VLAN's?  Can you think 
of any use for them?  How many sites do you have?

The quick and dirty solution is to change the subnet mask...  The more robust 
solution might include VLAN's...
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jeff Johnson 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am in need of more IP addresses on my network.

My current network looks like this:
192.168.1.x
255.255.255.0

I am using 248 IP's currently, so I have very little expansion available.  I do 
see the potential to increase in the following year, so I had better get my 
butt thinking about this soon.  Plus I have Christmas and New Year's holidays 
that I could work with no one on our network for 3 full days.

I am thinking about changing my subnet to something like 255.255.254.0 or 
255.255.252.0.  Would this be a good way, or would I be better adding an 
additional router and just creating a new 255.255.255.0 network on 192.168.2.x?

I guess my question is which is the "correct" way?

Jeff Johnson
Systems Administrator
714-773-2600 Office
714-773-6351 Fax
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