Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.

I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).

The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
happen.

Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
least in this case!).

Bill Mayo

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Reality check

As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
which means not fixing the problem. 

Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor? 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
Insurance Company of America
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

-----Original Message-----
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

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