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Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtual Server Training? (UNCLASSIFIED) Haven't heard Shookie, period, in a while now. >>> Jon Harris <[email protected]> 3/11/2010 9:31 AM >>> So true but can anyone say they have heard Shookie butter up anyone? I doubt it Jon On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Kent, Larry CTR USA < [email protected]> wrote: > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE > > “Keep the boss buttered up real well”… that sounds like the plotSo to > some B-movie that Shook would be in! J > > > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:41 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Virtual Server Training? > > > > LOL that is good for you. Keep the boss buttered up real well and you > might get to keep your position. All kidding aside good luck keeping your > position. > > > > Jon > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:38 PM, John Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > I’m with you, We’re a State of Florida contractor and we’re looking at > budget cuts yet again. I just happen to be in a position to present the > value of spending on certain technologies and EVERY business has “green” > money for specialized projects. We’ve mobilized nearly half of our workforce > without adding a single support position, these are the dollars and sense > kind of things one hopes to be able to spend money on. The VMWare piece of > this just makes my job easier so I can troubleshoot the bosses Blackberry! > > > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:30 PM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Virtual Server Training? > > > > When I was doing this any pay out was too much. Keep in mind they were > laying off staff at Florida Universities in 2008 and I sure did not want to > rock the boat and get my name on that list. > > > > Jon > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:49 PM, John Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > Agreed, sometimes free is the only option. VMWare Snapshot Manager does > quite nicely for backing up live machines. I use both in my environment, > each has its place, I prefer running my critical servers in VMWare. Just as > an aside, VMWare just recently started giving non-profits and EDUs a > substantial discount so it’s not as big an outlay as it once was. > > > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:41 PM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Virtual Server Training? > > > > I had no money to spend on tools does not mean I needed any to the the > software up and running. I did not see any free tools to backup live VM's > which I can do if I am running Hyper-V. The native 2008 backup software > would do that. Will it backup live VMWare machines? I never saw anything > that said it would. Since I did not have another box that would run 2008 > with Hyper-V the rest of the tools whether VMWare or Hyper-V was moot. The > other box I had was only for storage and that was it. There always is > better and then there is free but sometimes it does not matter what is > better if you can only go with free. > > > > Jon > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:34 PM, John Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > Now I’m curious, what tools did you need to make VMWare work? I only just > recently added my first 3rd party app to work with VMWare (Veeam) and > never had any issues making it run right out of the box. You can take > snapshots, do patch remediation( both host and guest) manage and segregate > virtual networks plus a boatload of other things without spending any $ on > third party apps. It would also be wise to review the licensing restrictions > as well as the performance levels, VMWare can show you some compelling > reasons why “free” isn’t exactly free and spending money on VSphere can end > up costing less in the long run for some businesses. Sorry, back to my > koolaid………… > > > > *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:24 PM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Virtual Server Training? > > > > +2 Storage is a major concern as is networking. If you have a good handle > on this most of the rest is easy. I just did not have the money to spend > trying to get tools for VMWare's products. Hyper-V was free it works and > the way the server can be backed-up with the VM's running just made it > impossible to go with VMWares products. > > > > Jon > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Malcolm Reitz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > +1 on what ASB is saying. Our server admins expend much more effort in > dealing with the storage side of virtualization than anything else. If you > are planning on moving in to any type of shared storage, use some of your > training budget to really learn how to manage that. > > > > -Malcolm > > > > *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:09 > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > > *Subject:* Re: Virtual Server Training? > > > > Much of what you need to learn about virtualization is generic to the > technology in general and serve you well regardless of whether you go with > Citrix, VMWare or Microsoft for your virtualization needs. > > > > Server virtualization introduces a lot more storage and networking > configuration, and if you don't currently have that experience, it is good > to understand so that you can architecture things properly. > > > > Other than that, a virtual server behaves largely like a physical server in > 99% of the scenarios you will care about. > > > > Product specific virtualization information is good to get if you know > which one you're going to run with. > > > > The cost of the training will depend on how much of it you need. Usually > 2-3 days (8-12 hours or so) of real time will do you good for starters. > > > -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Stephen Wimberly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > What training would you consider 'recommended' for a server admin > going into virtual servers for the first time? We have used Microsoft > Virtual Server 2005 before, but did not care for the setup. We are > currently looking at a recommendation from Dell which covers two > server host boxes, one storage box and one management switch. I > currently manage about 20 physical servers, so what I would need would > be specific to the differences to virtual servers rather than physical > servers. All I need to do is add a line item for "training costs" and > go for funding options! 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