That's the paradigm I'm looking at; install HV or VM on bare metal and put the OS in a guest. If the backup/image storage is done correctly, your recoverability goes way up. We just lost a server at a client; older Dell and the raid controller smoked the OS mirror. Client doesn't want to pay what it's going to take to rebuild and try to recover. Same client that wouldn't flatten the box when it got hacked 6 months ago. Same client that wouldn't spend the money on disk storage to enable adequate backups. So they've lost a DC/file server but fortunately, the data left there wasn't critical.
*********************** Charlie Kaiser [email protected] Kingman, AZ *********************** > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Anderson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:04 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: How would you go about this? > > We just replaced our 3 servers with 2 new Dells and went with > Hyper-V on 1. The 3 that were replaced were 7 1/2 years old > and it was a matter of getting parts. > > > Bob Anderson > > IT Manager > Kent Sporting Goods Inc. > 433 Park Ave. S > New London OH 44851 > 419-929-7021 x315 > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Kaiser [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:01 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: How would you go about this? > > +1. > While 5 or 6 years ago 3 year server replacements were the > norm, that's no longer the case. By the time you put together > server cost, OS license, and migration consulting costs, a > small business is unwilling to pay $10 or so to upgrade their > SBS box or exchange server just because it's old. > We're running into many more aged hardware issues than we > used to, and some of them are ugly. > > *********************** > Charlie Kaiser > [email protected] > Kingman, AZ > *********************** > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:29 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: How would you go about this? > > > > "You get five years out of a server? I think you need the help." > > > > > > > > *or* YOU are luckily spoiled ! > > > > > > > > Yes, a 3 year lifecycle refresh is ideal, but not realistic > > budget-wise for MANY out there in the real world. Especially in the > > SMB market, I frequently run into aging servers with some of my > > consulting clients. You'd be hard pressed to convince them > to replace > > a server that is currently working as expected with new hardware > > and/or new OS without proving any significant benefit in > features over > > the existing systems. The biggest issue on aging servers > that I see > > is drive failures, and insufficient drive space/size due to data > > growth. Data volumes can be replaced/upgraded without an > entirely new > > server in many if not most cases. > > > > > > > > That said, we all know that Windows 2000 ( all flavors including > > servers ) are dropping from Microsoft support July 12th > this year. So > > the lack of support, service packs, and vulnerability fixes > *will* be > > a driving factor for OS upgrades which work out well with hardware > > upgrades > > > > Erik Goldoff > > > > IT Consultant > > > > Systems, Networks, & Security > > > > ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' > > > > From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:15 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: How would you go about this? > > > > > > > > You get five years out of a server? I think you need the > help. I was > > just looking for some help in picking up a file server. I > replace all > > my workstations and servers every three years. But I only have 130 > > workstations and servers. > > > > > > > > Your growth estimate is OK as it increases here at the > Museum. That is > > why I am splitting the data onto several HDs. > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:18 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: How would you go about this? > > > > > > > > I'm not going to answer your question, instead I'm going to > pick apart > > your request. > > > > We really don't have any idea of what your rate of data growth is. > > There are two estimates we can make from the data supplied, linear > > growth or geometric growth. With linear, you're adding > about 125 GB > > of data per year. With geometric you're doubling your data > every ~19 > > months. So, if you expect the same growth rate, in 5 years > (assumed > > life of a > > server) you're at either +625 GB of data or over 8 TB of data. > > > > Just taking a step back and looking at it from 30,000 feet, > a server > > is the least of your storage concerns if you're doubling your data > > every 19 months or so. > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Holstrom, Don <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > I have a file server that has gone above 1 TB. When I first > came here > > to the museum a few years ago (8), they had 33 gigs of data on one > > server. I brought in file tape backups until last year when > the backup > > went out of that range. > > > > I always used SCSI RAIDs but even now that is a bit high. > > > > So > > > > I have ordered a new file server with six HD openings. I am > figuring a > > pair of 10,000-rpm 150 or 300 gig HDs for the OS, I can go > Server 03 > > or 08, figuring on 08. I would back up one with the other. 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