Yep - it's all in the wording...
----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Desmond <[email protected]> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 4:47:14 PM Subject: RE: Off topic - Outsourcing, was Career Job Advice So the key here is that position != job. The wording is very careful to use the term position because while your position is being eliminated, another position has been opened elsewhere. It's not the same position, but it will have similar responsibilities as written in the job description. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 -----Original Message----- From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Off topic - Outsourcing, was Career Job Advice You got it Joe. The funny thing is on my letter from them, it says my position is being eliminated. If so, then why are we training people overseas to do a job that is "being eliminated"? They like to wrap all kinds of nice words around what they're doing(RIF, re-org, downsize, rightsize, outsource, managed services), but it still boils down to where they can maximize the bottom line and accordingly, the executive's bonus for making the bottom line look better without actually increasing the top line. I looked at the financials for the company after the employees were moved off the payroll and it certainly improved, but it wasn't due to some huge increase in business that was done... Sorry for venting folks... ----- Original Message ---- From: Joseph Heaton <[email protected]> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 3:52:55 PM Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice Seems like a large amount of gall there, Don. "We're laying you off, but we'd like you to train your replacement." Real inspiring prospect there... my neighbor said the same thing happened to some of her coworkers. She works for a local newspaper, and they are shipping some function overseas, and wanted this person to stick around for a couple months to train the people overseas... >>> Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> 8/16/2010 1:15 PM >>> If you're looking for long term, I think the public sector job has more promise (benefits, pension) and stability. I mention the stability piece because, as others have said, I have been outsourced after 20 years with the company and have been asked to train our replacements. So my opinion comes from that background vs a younger person's point of view that might be different depending on your goals. Don K ________________________________ From: "Maglinger, Paul" <[email protected]> To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 8:28:58 AM Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice Benefits has their benefits. J Unless you different than 99% of the people out there and have the discipline to put money away on your own for retirement, a job that offers a pension or 401K is really nice to have. Health insurance is a benefit and although the rules for US health care is changing, you still want to maintain health care coverage throughout. From:Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice Congrats on having options. You're doing better than many. Without any other information, I would rate the first job better than the second for the following reasons: * Benefits: Job #2 has no pension/other benefits (the "few thousand more" doesn't make up for that) * Control/Influence: Both positions involve working with reports, but you have less control in the second role * Stability: With only a few thousand <currency> difference, I would take a public sector job with its attendant stability over a private sector job * Better Quality of Life: There are many more things that a Project Manager cannot delegate to anyone else, that an Infrastructure Delivery Manager can. What other research have you done into both opportunities that can help you? If you know people in either situation, this is potentially (and only potentially) and advantage. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... Signature powered by WiseStamp On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Andy <[email protected]> wrote: Hello I'm currently a Infrastructure and Support manager for a mid size (1000 employees) retail company. My job basically means I manage a team off 8 people and look after the service desk and support team, manage our external contracts and run any infrastructure projects we have eg WAN upgrades/Server consolidations etc... Anyway I've been looking to leave and have been offered 2 jobs. One is in the public sector as a Infrastructure Delivery Manager. The job involves managing a team of 20, with 3 direct reports, creating KPIs, improving uptime etc.. While the other one is a Infrastructure Project Manager for a private firm. The job involves running all infrastructure projects, no direct reports. Both jobs are good ones, the project manager job pay a few thousand more and has bonuses but has no pension/other benefits. While the public sector one includes final salary pension, more holidays. 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