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Brian Desmond
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Minimum password length GPO

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> You and Brian are correct about the client's knowledge of the policy, 
> but the client is only responsible for enforcing the policy for the 
> repository it maintains.

  Ah, so even though the client has all the code needed to enforce password 
policy, it's not actually done on the client for domain passwords.  Interesting.
[Brian Desmond] Correct - all this happens inside LSA on the DC

> Sure, it could always evaluate against local policy any password that 
> the DC approved and then force a password change request for the user 
> account, but even that process is not straightforward at that point.

  Well, I haven't seen the code, but the client's part of handling password 
expiration already happens after the DC checks the password.
[Brian Desmond] Right but the client is being informed to request a PW change
It seems like one should be able to add a check to evaluate the cleartext 
password against policy at that point as well.  The mechanism is already there 
for prompting for a forced password change.
[Brian Desmond] Anything is possible although you've got totally separate code 
paths here and you need to factor in a bunch of other stuff.
 The client still has the cleartext password at that point, too, I think.  
Obviously nothing is free when it comes to code changes, but as changes go I 
would expect that to be fairly self-contained.

  Again, the above is speculation; for all I know the code's a mess and/or has 
tons of hooks, and any change is a nightmare.
[Brian Desmond] It's definitely VERY old stuff. Some of this really hasn't 
changed much since the beginning of time. Factor in other things like in WS08+ 
you can apply different password policies to different groups of users so now 
you need to calculate the effective policy before you can enforce it.

> the benefits can be realized in other ways that are more controllable (IMO).

  Oh, I do agree that one can achieve similar results by setting the 
force-change flag whenever one changes password policy, and that since you can 
break that into more-manageable chunks it actually has benefits.  This was just 
a "Wouldn't it be nice if".  :)

-- Ben

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