Simple: Draw boundaries and stick to them - that's EXACTLY what I did. The 
place I just dropped? My wife's employer (and she's the office manager), I 
basically told them the same thing I said here - "I have tried but it's just 
not going to jive with my current business model and capabilities". I would 
rather sever the tie ahead of time instead of underperform and give the 
impression my business doesn't know its trade.

Dave

From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: I hate peer-to peer so much... (was RE: Cant Browse workgroup)

Ugh, I feel your pain. I'm too busy, overworked, and underpaid, at %dayjob% 
where I am requested to handle duties at a very smalltime autoshop (trust me, 
not something I want to be doing), and its all P2P.  Sure I would love to 
deliver them a full domain environment, but these are gearheads that just want 
to be working on a car.  And I am too damn busy to implement that, let alone 
train them.   I keep the sh!t afloat with calibrated hosts files.  Ugly, sure, 
but I don't have the time to dick with it.  Oh forgot to mention this is a 
favor for a member of management.  I don't see an extra dollar for douching 
around at this joint.  It's enough to make me want to just walk out the door 
for good.


Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: I hate peer-to peer so much... (was RE: Cant Browse workgroup)

Not to hijack this thread - but I will - I just dropped the only client with a 
peer-to-peer network because the difference in managing 6 systems with no 
server is enough that I do not find it time-effective to figure out the "peer 
to peer" equivalents because none of my other clients nor %DAYJOB% require that 
skill. Have a server? Give me a call. Peer-to-peer? Call a skilled home user or 
some college dude.

I remember the first time I tried to clean a virus from XP Home OS - had never 
used that OS as I'd always seen the Pro versions "hey, how can I get to 
\\machine\c$<file:///\\machine\c$>"?  WTF?

Dave

From: Jeff Steward [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Cant Browse workgroup

His mess = your profit.  Having said that, I hate peer to peer networks.

-Jeff Steward
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:13 PM, James Kerr 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ive been telling the guy forever to get a server for less then 2 grand, so at 
the very least he can centralize his data and back it up. Practically all his 
printers have Ethernet ports and could be managed by the server, login scripts 
for shares etc etc, the list goes on and I know I'm preaching the choir here 
just getting frustrated dealing with his mess.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Scott" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: Cant Browse workgroup
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Jeff Steward 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This thread brings back memories from the bad old days.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/188305
"Remember that name resolution among all browsers is critical and that the
first thing to do is to establish a robust name resolution infrastructure
with WINS. A lot of time can be wasted trying to track down browser issues,
which are really caused by name resolution problems."

 He mentioned he can ping the other computers by name, which suggests
it probabbly isn't a name resolution issue.

 Also, AFAIK, you can't run a WINS server on Windows unless you have
one of the "Server" flavors of Windows, and he doesn't.  If he had a
Windows Server it would automatically get preferential treatment in
browser elections, so he prolly wouldn't be dealing with browser wars
in the first place.

 (Linux/Samba can also act as a WINS server.   You also get explict
control over all the NetBIOS name resolution and browse and election
parameters, which can come in handy.)

-- Ben

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