Yes, I'll even fill it up with gas when I'm done. - WJR
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 22:20, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: > Will I get it back? I like to throw stones in a glass house... > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM, William Robbins <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Can I borrow your rock? I need to throw it at someone. >> >> - WJR >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 16:50, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My rock is shinier than your rock.... Neener neener neener!!!! >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Three points: >>>> >>>> - Please substantiate your allegation that HP support for networking is >>>> somehow inferior because you're not paying for an expensive support >>>> contact. (I've spoken to quite a few techs from both organizations) >>>> >>>> - I mentioned that Cisco had more failures *percentage-wise*. I did not >>>> make the comparison on sheer number of incidents, as that would have been >>>> skewed by market share. >>>> >>>> - Please provide me a use-case where a Cisco switch is proven to provide >>>> some functionality that an HP ProCurve cannot accomplish without incurring >>>> costs our complexity that negate the cost differential. >>>> >>>> You've already agreed with the equality of quality. >>>> >>>> These are all part of the value proposition. >>>> >>>> -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker <http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Motorola Droid >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2010 4:49 PM, "Rohyans, Aaron" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think you’re missing my point here… though I may not be clear enough. >>>> My point is one of support *value*, rather than support *cost*. Is HP >>>> cheaper than Cisco when it comes to support? … yes, hands down. Does HP >>>> provide the same level of support from a value perspective as Cisco? … I >>>> would have to say no. Again, *you get what you pay for*. You’re not >>>> paying for high value support… thus, HP will gladly throw new equipment >>>> your >>>> way and let you talk to a low-end tech all day long if it’ll make you >>>> happy. It’s worth it to them. Cisco, on the other hand, takes a different >>>> approach… you pay for support, but have access to a large pool of technical >>>> resources when things go awry… even access to the developers themselves. >>>> Keep in mind also that Cisco offers one of the best online documentation >>>> systems of any manufacturer in the world… becoming familiar with Cisco >>>> products is not hard… and it’s free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As to the price difference… we could argue features all day long… but >>>> how do you define “comparable” switches? Yes, both are Ethernet switches >>>> and both operate at 10/100/1000Gb… and if that’s all you’re after, then you >>>> shouldn’t be looking at Cisco. Cisco offers some of the most granular and >>>> technologically advanced features in their product lineup… “comparing” >>>> these >>>> two switches requires a baseline for comparison. To some, Cisco’s “cheap” >>>> in terms of what you get for the cost. To others they’re ungodly >>>> expensive, >>>> but those “others” typically aren’t concerned with the added features that >>>> you get with Cisco… thus HP makes the most sense, or any other vendor for >>>> that matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HP is probably lower in overall device failures… but they have less than >>>> 20% of the switching market share. Compared to Cisco’s 70%, that would >>>> make >>>> sense. *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*. >>>> You’re right, both are rock solid! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Aaron T. Rohyans >>>> Senior Network Engineer >>>> >>>> CCIE #21945 >>>> >>>> DPSciences Corporation >>>> 7400 N. Shadeland... >>>> >>>> *From:* Andrew S. 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