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From: Free, Bob [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory +∞ From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory HAHAHAHAHA. No offense Mr. Robbins, but I think you have no clue as to Mr. Desmond’s background. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory I see. And how many directories have you designed for Fortune 500 companies? I'm protecting them from people that think it's no big deal to continue to design a directory as if it were still 1996...but that's just me and my 10 years of experience designing directories for enterprise environments talking. You go right ahead doing it your way, I'll do it mine. - WJR On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 15:22, Brian Desmond <[email protected]> wrote: Your average Fortune 500 probably doesn’t have the network requirements to demand it. I’ve worked in places that do and I’ve worked in a lot of places that don’t. You’re looking at a lot more than two servers plus the man hours and overhead when you add it up. I’m not sure what you feel you’re protecting yourself or your customers from by continuing to deploy this design. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 Active Directory, 4th Ed - http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/ <http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/> Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian <https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian> From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory Very limited huh? You mean like the Fortune 500? How much money does two servers cost? How much does it cost when some idiot gives himself inappropriate creds and makes a critical error? - WJR On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 14:27, Brian Desmond <[email protected]> wrote: All it does is cost money in most orgs. The need for separate domains is down to segregating domain NC replication and there’s a very limited set of places where you actually need to start doing that. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 From: William Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory Ever tried it? Ever successfully done it? I have, and I'm tired of hearing that argument that empty root is useless. Most folks don't know, nor care to make the effort to exploit this. They will, and know how to very easily, add themselves to a group in a flat domain. - WJR On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:25, Brian Desmond <[email protected]> wrote: Even if they were a domain admin in a child they could add themselves to the EAs group in a root domain if they really wanted to.exploit this Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] c - 312.731.3132 From: William J. Robbins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory The short answer is yes, if they are domain admins they can do anything they like provided they have the knowledge. Including add themselves to the Enterprise Admins group since you said you were in a single domain, which I interpret as no "empty root." You could change the ACL's, but again they can undo that with the knowledge. The help desk!? Seriously? Well good luck to you in the new position, sounds like you may need some. WJR - from my Crackberry. "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." ________________________________ From: James Rankin <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:52 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> Subject: Restricting groups in Active Directory I've just started a new job and we're building an all-new infrastructure. One of the key things I'm looking at it is restricting access to the most sensitive functions of some of the infrastructure, mainly in VMWare and XenApp. I'm currently looking at doing this by using AD groups - creating groups for each support team and adding those groups to the relevant areas in XenApp and VirtualCenter to give them the necessary permissions. However, the business are adamant that every member of the support teams (from helpdesk upwards) will be given a Domain Admin account. Am I right in assuming this means that they could simply add themselves into the groups I am setting up, because even if I restrict these groups via an ACL, they could just take ownership of the group? Could I edit the ACL for these groups and Deny Domain Admins the Modify Ownership privilege? Or can they override that as well somehow? Is there some way I could handle this even if everyone gets given Domain Admin access, or will I have to convince them to do things *properly* using delegation of privilege? All input is welcomed, TIA, JRR -- "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' 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