I'll second that. We run TS on W2k3 on top of ESX 3.5 and we don't let much 
more than 30 users logon per TS instance if we can help it. I'm running 19 
users on one TS right now and am seeing 25%-45% CPU utilization, and most of 
those users are only running Citrix apps or IE. Two virtual CPUs are assigned 
to the TS, and 3.75 Gigs of RAM.


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Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
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From: Paul Everett [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Now TS on VM Q's too

Chances are you will have issues with your application(s) if you consistently 
have more than 40 users connecting to your Terminal Server at one time.  You 
will reach limitations in Terminal Server long before you run out of resources 
on that monster Server.  For 100 users you may find you need 3 Virtual Terminal 
Servers if they all connect at the same time.

From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Terminal Server or VPN? Now TS on VM Q's too

Excellent reference point, thanks Carl!

From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Terminal Server or VPN? Now TS on VM Q's too

I am not a TS person and have only ever setup 1 pure TS in my career.  I would 
advise looking at the recommendation from Project: Virtual Reality Check.  They 
will give you unbiased info/data on what works best for configuration details.  
Project: VRC has gotten so influential that Microsoft, Citrix, VMware, HP and 
other vendors now use the VRC scripts for all their testing and design white 
papers.  VMware has gotten burned by VRC in the past and had to fix major bugs 
in their software.  Several VMware public fixes were originally private fixes 
specifically for TS issues that VRC found.

Of course, the two guys heading up VRX are fellow CTPs! :)

Thanks


Carl Webster
Citrix Technology Professional
http://dabcc.com/Webster


From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: RE: Terminal Server or VPN? Now TS on VM Q's too

Andrew this is actually my thinking. Licensing is quite cheap (under $2K for 
100 seats), a purchase req got submitted this week - I am fortunate that $2K is 
quite small beans in light of the other costs of this move.

My next question is - given an 8CPU 64Gb RAM host system (times two), does it 
make sense to have more than 1 TS Server VM per physical host? ESX is the VM 
host softwware, so I don't know if it make sense to have 1 monster 64-bit VM 
per physical system or have 2-3 per. I'm thinking one big TS VM per side saves 
overhead of additional VM systems.

Thoughts, comments? I do have the 2008 TS Resource Kit and while excellent, it 
doesn't cover VM's thoroughly enough to answer that question.

I have TS Web access working internaly, and a basic TS 2K8 server up, the 
practice I don't have is TS Gateway. I think I can get there in 3-4 weeks and 
have some testing time, but we'll see...

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