It's called degrees. There's some situations where obviously you would use the computer. And at the other end of the scale, situations where you shouldn't. And in between is some point at which the situation changes from one to the other. For each person that point is different.
Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 28 January 2011 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' That wasn't even close to the situation presented. If someone's going to die because of something I have to do or not do, well, then something's gone horribly wrong. Same for losing $100m dollars Same for $10m dollars Same for losing my job... These scenarios don't have any basis in a rational discussion. If youre' going to argue at the extremes, then there isn't any point to the discussion. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Sometimes people do things because they weigh risks (rightly or wrongly) and decide the risk is worth it. If someone told you not to use your PC, but someone was going to die unless you authorised something, would you do it? What if it was your company losing $100m dollars (and then hundreds of people getting fired?) What if it was $10m and dozens? What if it were you losing your own job? Etc. Sometimes people have to get things done, and being unaware of the risks, do it anyway. Cheers Ken From: Rene de Haas [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Friday, 28 January 2011 11:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' I don't call people idiots because they don't know how something works. But if you don't then listen to someone who does. He didn't ask the to understand anything, just the instruction not to use it, That shouldn't be that hard. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Shauna Hensala <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I thought it was good - remarkably astute. We all know different things - to classify someone as an idiot because they don't know the things you know is a fallacy. Plus the sigh correlation was good for a chuckle! ________________________________ Subject: Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:31:07 -0500 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sensitive as always. :) William J. Robbins Enterprise Infrastructure Operations Office of Information Management Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited On Jan 27, 2011, at 18:25, "Gary Slinger" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: What a load of hippy crap. What part of "don't use that system" has to be explained in kindergarten terms to a user? They're not "special", they're "idiots". ________________________________ From: Steven Peck <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:22:28 -0800 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' We all have our share of special users. Those are interesting stories. Some of us have our share of educational victories as well. Those that learn after getting the right information after only one or two bad experiences. For instance, I have this thing in my kitchen that makes things hot (my wife calls it an oven). If I have a recipe that I follow I can get an approximation of edible food. Sometimes I get lucky and it's really good, other times it's merely a lesson in what doesn't work. In the cooking world I am that 'special user'. Fortunately my wife does not mock me for it, although I am beginning to suspect a correlation between my attempts to bake and her loud sighs, I may have to chart the occurrences. For our special users (even our general ones), we must remember that people learn differently and often we must craft our educational message to fit our users ability to comprehend. Educating people on social engineering is a rather time consuming task. Lot's to be learned from the advertising fields in how to present the same overall message in different formats for user consumption. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org<http://www.blkmtn.org/> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Rankin, James R <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I had a home user recently showing all the signs of malware. I told him not to use his pc till I could look at it. And he went and made a purchase with his debit card. Against that sort of idiocy, we admins are doomed to fail. Typed frustratingly slowly on my BlackBerry(r) wireless device ________________________________ From: David Lum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:55:37 -0800 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: Intel developing security 'game-changer' You mean I'm not supposed to enter my Visa number at a site that will give me winning lottery numbers on an animated stripper card that includes a free registry and spyware scan and install AntiVirus 2069? Who knew? Dave From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel developing security 'game-changer' Well, since the vast majority of infections occur because of social engineering, I don't think it will mean much at all. An analogy might be DEP, which did make some difference - that was something at the kernel. But not a huge difference. I would put this in the same pot. At the end of the day, your users will still demand downloading their favorite crapware, surf porn, and fill out lottery sites online, while giving all of these places their credit card numbers. Alex From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Intel developing security 'game-changer' What say you, Alex, et all. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9206366/Intel_developing_security_game_changer_?taxonomyId=85 Hype? 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