The thing is ivan if you look at it it hits exactly the edge of what the
bbox was before the crop.   Is that just coincidence?

Randy S. Little
http://www.rslittle.com <http://reel.rslittle.com>




On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 01:50, Ivan Busquets <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> I think you're hitting a float precision limit there, or rather a
> limit introduced by the way most (all?) computer graphics software do
> filtering operations by sampling a square area. But I'll put a big
> question mark on the second assumption since I don't know the
> specifics.
>
> If you take a classic gauss curve and apply the same gamma operation
> to it, you'll see the low end starting to flatten towards 1. Now, if
> you look again after your blur operations and sample in the viewer,
> you'll see that the x coordinate at which the pixels turn to full
> black (0) is the same on all scanlines. The value right before that is
> different on each scanline, so the radial gradient is still there, but
> the point where each line reaches 0 is the same. If you push that
> enough, though, you're flattening all the low end values towards one,
> effectively losing the small differences between them.
>
> The only way I can think of to get around that within your gizmo is to
> set a threshold to push some of the very low end values to 0. You
> could use a clamp node with the "Clamp To" turned on and set to 0, and
> then set your threshold using the "minimum" knob.
>
> Quick example:
>
> set cut_paste_input [stack 0]
> version 6.2 v4
> push $cut_paste_input
> Sparkles {
>  size 30
>  motion 200
>  direction 60
>  fadeTolerance 152
>  broken_affected 6.6
>  broken_start 0.3
>  broken_holes 0.186
>  sparks_angle 77
>  name Sparkles2
>  selected true
>  xpos -893
>  ypos -348
> }
> Crop {
>  box {0 0 2048 1556}
>  name Crop2
>  selected true
>  xpos -893
>  ypos -299
> }
> Group {
>  name ExpoBlur1
>  selected true
>  xpos -893
>  ypos -224
>  addUserKnob {20 ExpoBlur}
>  addUserKnob {14 size R 0 5}
>  size 2
>  addUserKnob {41 strength T Grade160.white}
>  addUserKnob {41 curve T Grade160.gamma}
>  addUserKnob {41 black_clamp l "black clamp" T Grade160.black_clamp}
>  addUserKnob {41 white_clamp l "white clamp" -STARTLINE T
> Grade160.white_clamp}
>  addUserKnob {41 crop l "crop to format" T Blur11.crop}
>  addUserKnob {41 minimum T Clamp1.minimum}
> }
>  Input {
>  inputs 0
>  name Input1
>  xpos 389
>  ypos -32
>  }
>  Dot {
>  name Dot328
>  xpos 423
>  ypos -4
>  }
> set N4ba6c50 [stack 0]
> add_layer {rgba rgba.beta}
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size**7} {parent.size**7}}
>  crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
>  name Blur17
>  xpos 714
>  ypos 100
>  }
> push $N4ba6c50
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size**6} {parent.size**6}}
>  crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
>  name Blur16
>  xpos 589
>  ypos 96
>  }
> push $N4ba6c50
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size**5} {parent.size**5}}
>  crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
>  name Blur15
>  xpos 499
>  ypos 104
>  }
> push $N4ba6c50
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size**4} {parent.size**4}}
>  crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
>  name Blur14
>  xpos 389
>  ypos 106
>  }
> push $N4ba6c50
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size**3} {parent.size**3}}
>  crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
>  name Blur13
>  xpos 287
>  ypos 108
>  }
> push 0
> push $N4ba6c50
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size*2} {parent.size*2}}
>  crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
>  name Blur12
>  xpos 174
>  ypos 108
>  }
> push $N4ba6c50
>  Blur {
>  size {{parent.size} {parent.size}}
>  name Blur11
>  xpos 53
>  ypos 115
>  }
>  Merge2 {
>  inputs 7+1
>  operation plus
>  name Merge243
>  xpos 389
>   ypos 233
>  }
>  Clamp {
>  minimum 4e-05
>  maximum_enable false
>  MinClampTo_enable true
>  name Clamp1
>  xpos 389
>  ypos 278
>  }
> set N74959c0 [stack 0]
>  Grade {
>  channels rgba
>  white 1.02
>   gamma 11
>   white_clamp true
>  name Grade160
>  xpos 389
>   ypos 358
>  }
>  Output {
>  name Output1
>  xpos 389
>  ypos 438
>  }
> push $N74959c0
>  Viewer {
>  input_process false
>  name Viewer1
>   xpos 570
>  ypos 426
>  }
> end_group
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Ron Ganbar <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Is the gamma (curve) all the way up on 5 and size on 2 and you're not
> > getting a square?
> >
> >
> > Ron Ganbar
> > email: [email protected]
> > tel: +44 (0)7968 007 309 [UK]
> >      +972 (0)54 255 9765 [Israel]
> > url: http://ronganbar.wordpress.com/
> >
> >
> > On 20 July 2011 18:19, Randy Little <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> did you try hooking and unhooking or leaving hooked a a black constant.
> >> Its 2 am I don't know what buttons I pushed to make it work.   SORRY.
>  BUT
> >> Randy S. Little
> >> http://www.rslittle.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 01:16, Ron Ganbar <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Randy,
> >>> Still wrong on my end... :-(
> >>> Played with Blur11 - didn't seem to make any difference.
> >>> Thanks for trying.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Ganbar
> >>> email: [email protected]
> >>> tel: +44 (0)7968 007 309 [UK]
> >>>      +972 (0)54 255 9765 [Israel]
> >>> url: http://ronganbar.wordpress.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 20 July 2011 18:12, Randy Little <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Merry Xmas its fixed.  The weird thing is that fixing was to turn off
> >>>> crop to format in the blur11 then turn it back on.   ?????  So I don't
> know.
> >>>>  strange. maybe it was holding onto the format from pre crop some how
> for
> >>>> whatever reason.
> >>>> set cut_paste_input [stack 0]
> >>>> version 6.2 v3
> >>>> push $cut_paste_input
> >>>> Sparkles {
> >>>>  size 30
> >>>>  motion 200
> >>>>  direction 60
> >>>>  fadeTolerance 152
> >>>>  broken_affected 6.6
> >>>>  broken_start 0.3
> >>>>  broken_holes 0.186
> >>>>  sparks_angle 77
> >>>>  name Sparkles1
> >>>>  selected true
> >>>>  xpos -111
> >>>>  ypos -205
> >>>> }
> >>>> Crop {
> >>>>  box {0 0 2048 1556}
> >>>>  name Crop4
> >>>>  selected true
> >>>>  xpos -106
> >>>>  ypos -157
> >>>> }
> >>>> Group {
> >>>>  name ExpoBlur2
> >>>>  selected true
> >>>>  xpos -106
> >>>>  ypos -103
> >>>>  addUserKnob {20 ExpoBlur}
> >>>>  addUserKnob {14 size R 0 5}
> >>>>  size 0.2
> >>>>  addUserKnob {41 strength T Grade160.white}
> >>>>  addUserKnob {41 curve T Grade160.gamma}
> >>>>  addUserKnob {41 black_clamp l "black clamp" T Grade160.black_clamp}
> >>>>  addUserKnob {41 white_clamp l "white clamp" -STARTLINE T
> >>>> Grade160.white_clamp}
> >>>>  addUserKnob {41 crop l "crop to format" T Blur11.crop}
> >>>> }
> >>>>  Input {
> >>>>   inputs 0
> >>>>   name Input1
> >>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>   ypos -32
> >>>>  }
> >>>>  Dot {
> >>>>   name Dot328
> >>>>   xpos 423
> >>>>   ypos -4
> >>>>  }
> >>>> set N1c441b60 [stack 0]
> >>>> add_layer {rgba rgba.beta}
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size**7} {parent.size**7}}
> >>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
> >>>>   name Blur17
> >>>>   xpos 714
> >>>>   ypos 100
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push $N1c441b60
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size**6} {parent.size**6}}
> >>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
> >>>>   name Blur16
> >>>>   xpos 589
> >>>>   ypos 96
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push $N1c441b60
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size**5} {parent.size**5}}
> >>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
> >>>>   name Blur15
> >>>>   xpos 499
> >>>>   ypos 104
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push $N1c441b60
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size**4} {parent.size**4}}
> >>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
> >>>>   name Blur14
> >>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>   ypos 106
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push $N1c441b60
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size**3} {parent.size**3}}
> >>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
> >>>>   name Blur13
> >>>>   xpos 287
> >>>>   ypos 108
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push 0
> >>>> push $N1c441b60
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size*2} {parent.size*2}}
> >>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop}}
> >>>>   name Blur12
> >>>>   xpos 174
> >>>>   ypos 108
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push $N1c441b60
> >>>>  Blur {
> >>>>   size {{parent.size} {parent.size}}
> >>>>   name Blur11
> >>>>   xpos 53
> >>>>   ypos 115
> >>>>  }
> >>>>  Merge2 {
> >>>>   inputs 7+1
> >>>>   operation plus
> >>>>   name Merge243
> >>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>   ypos 232
> >>>>  }
> >>>> set N1c474b50 [stack 0]
> >>>>  Grade {
> >>>>   channels rgba
> >>>>   white 1.02
> >>>>   gamma 0.435
> >>>>   white_clamp true
> >>>>   name Grade160
> >>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>   ypos 311
> >>>>  }
> >>>>  Output {
> >>>>   name Output1
> >>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>   ypos 438
> >>>>  }
> >>>> push $N1c474b50
> >>>>  Viewer {
> >>>>   input_process false
> >>>>   name Viewer1
> >>>>   selected true
> >>>>   xpos 570
> >>>>   ypos 426
> >>>>  }
> >>>> end_group
> >>>> Randy S. Little
> >>>> http://www.rslittle.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 00:52, Ron Ganbar <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> set cut_paste_input [stack 0]
> >>>>> version 6.2 v4
> >>>>> push $cut_paste_input
> >>>>> Sparkles {
> >>>>>  size 30
> >>>>>  name Sparkles1
> >>>>>  selected true
> >>>>>  xpos -304
> >>>>>  ypos 3346
> >>>>> }
> >>>>> Crop {
> >>>>>  box {0 0 2048 1556}
> >>>>>  name Crop4
> >>>>>  selected true
> >>>>>  xpos -304
> >>>>>  ypos 3374
> >>>>> }
> >>>>> Group {
> >>>>>  name ExpoBlur2
> >>>>>  selected true
> >>>>>  xpos -304
> >>>>>  ypos 3422
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {20 ExpoBlur}
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {14 size R 0 5}
> >>>>>  size 2
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {41 strength T Grade160.white}
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {41 curve T Grade160.gamma}
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {41 black_clamp l "black clamp" T Grade160.black_clamp}
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {41 white_clamp l "white clamp" -STARTLINE T
> >>>>> Grade160.white_clamp}
> >>>>>  addUserKnob {41 crop l "crop to format" T Blur11.crop}
> >>>>> }
> >>>>>  Input {
> >>>>>   inputs 0
> >>>>>   name Input1
> >>>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>>   ypos -32
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>>  Dot {
> >>>>>   name Dot328
> >>>>>   xpos 423
> >>>>>   ypos -4
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> set Nbb6ed990 [stack 0]
> >>>>> add_layer {rgba rgba.beta}
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size**7 i} {parent.size**7 i}}
> >>>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop i}}
> >>>>>   name Blur17
> >>>>>   xpos 714
> >>>>>   ypos 100
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push $Nbb6ed990
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size**6 i} {parent.size**6 i}}
> >>>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop i}}
> >>>>>   name Blur16
> >>>>>   xpos 606
> >>>>>   ypos 103
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push $Nbb6ed990
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size**5 i} {parent.size**5 i}}
> >>>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop i}}
> >>>>>   name Blur15
> >>>>>   xpos 499
> >>>>>   ypos 104
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push $Nbb6ed990
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size**4 i} {parent.size**4 i}}
> >>>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop i}}
> >>>>>   name Blur14
> >>>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>>   ypos 106
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push $Nbb6ed990
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size**3 i} {parent.size**3 i}}
> >>>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop i}}
> >>>>>   name Blur13
> >>>>>   xpos 287
> >>>>>   ypos 108
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push 0
> >>>>> push $Nbb6ed990
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size*2 i} {parent.size*2 i}}
> >>>>>   crop {{parent.Blur11.crop i}}
> >>>>>   name Blur12
> >>>>>   xpos 174
> >>>>>   ypos 108
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push $Nbb6ed990
> >>>>>  Blur {
> >>>>>   size {{parent.size} {parent.size}}
> >>>>>   name Blur11
> >>>>>   xpos 53
> >>>>>   ypos 111
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>>  Merge2 {
> >>>>>   inputs 7+1
> >>>>>   operation plus
> >>>>>   name Merge243
> >>>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>>   ypos 283
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>>  Grade {
> >>>>>   channels rgba
> >>>>>   gamma 6
> >>>>>   white_clamp true
> >>>>>   name Grade160
> >>>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>>   ypos 311
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> set Nc73fb7f0 [stack 0]
> >>>>>  Viewer {
> >>>>>   viewerProcess SHOWLinAsFilm3D
> >>>>>   input_process false
> >>>>>   name Viewer1
> >>>>>   xpos 570
> >>>>>   ypos 426
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> push $Nc73fb7f0
> >>>>>  Output {
> >>>>>   name Output1
> >>>>>   xpos 389
> >>>>>   ypos 438
> >>>>>  }
> >>>>> end_group
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