Lovely, that makes it perfectly clear. Thank you Howard.

Cheers



On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Howard Jones <how...@axis-vfx.com> wrote:

> Developing on what Frank said…
>
> This is a question I always ask applicants…"When should you premultiply an
> image”.
>
> Everyone knows when you unpremultiply (grading etc) but the premultiply
> usually gets them.
> The answer is (at least) when you apply some sort of filter - blurs are
> the most obvious but this case is also included.
>
> If you resize/distort before you pull the key you are adding an extra
> filter to the pixels which will affect the edge pixels between the FG and
> GS background.
> If you key first -> premult (if not already) -> resize you get better
> keying.
>
> So I always teach that you key first then apply transforms/blurs etc…
> Attached is a clear example - transforms/reformats are a more subtle
> version of the same issue.
>
> *Howard **Jones*
> Visual Effects Supervisor
> m: 07973 265624 | e: how...@axis-vfx.com | w: www.axis-vfx.com
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>
> On 16 Feb 2017, at 08:45, Sven Schönmann <sven.schoenm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Vielen Dank for your time on this matter, Frank! ;)
>
> Concerning grain - Neat Video will be my friend.
>
> Have a great day...
>
> Sven
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Frank Rueter|OHUfx <fr...@ohufx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I personally always lean towards working on the original stuff before
>> introducing anything that may be arbitrary (such as filters for the
>> reformat).
>> That way things always seem more predictable and transferable between
>> multiple shots.
>> E.g. if you chose a filter for the reformat that sharpens a lot that,
>> that might create havoc with a subsequent key.
>> Depending on the footage you also need to think about how to reconcile
>> the grain/noise patterns to match the different plates. Obviously one plate
>> will have stretched noise.
>>
>> However, it always comes down to testing things properly and making an
>> informed decision in context of the footage.
>> As long as the workflow is based on an informed decision and not the
>> result of random trial&error, I do believe in the ol' "if it looks good you
>> are right".
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/17 2:09 PM, Sven Schönmann wrote:
>>
>> Ok, one last thing: I have a couple of raw greenscreen plates and their
>> according graded versions. Is there a "right way" to do the keying process?
>>
>> 1) pull the key/matte from the undistorted plate -> distort the resulting
>> matte plate & the graded plate
>>
>> 2) distort the raw & graded plate -> pull the key from the distorted raw
>> plate
>>
>> Way one seems more "correct" and clean to me. Way two might result in a
>> slightly worse greenscreen plate with wrong or missing details because of
>> the transforming process. Or is this wrong and both ways result in a
>> mathematically equal result?
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Frank Rueter|OHUfx <fr...@ohufx.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just remember that pixel aspects are just a concept to correlate the
>>> physical resolution of an image to what it should look like.
>>> There is no such thing as a non-square pixel in this context, so it's
>>> either making the images appear to be (un-)distorted via a viewer setting
>>> (based on a factor called "pixel aspect") or physically (un-)distorting
>>> them. The latter is required when combing different PAs, the former is
>>> required to view the images the way the final output media will show them
>>> (i.e. seemingly undistorted).
>>>
>>> When this gets confusing it's best to turn off the pixel aspect
>>> compensation in the viewer so what you see is what you get.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/02/17 10:50 AM, Sven Schönmann wrote:
>>>
>>> Righty, I was expecting that.
>>>
>>> Thank you for getting back on this Frank.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Frank Rueter|OHUfx <fr...@ohufx.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you mix different PAs you have no choice but to physically
>>>> squeeze/stretch to match.
>>>> I tend to set up Reformat nodes to bring the supplementary clips in
>>>> line with the main plate and ensure that transform concatenation is solid.
>>>>
>>>> But that's pretty much it. Technically using a 0.5 scale in your
>>>> transform is fine too. You have to do what you have to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16/02/17 5:31 AM, Sven Schönmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I have the same situation like Lee has in the forum:
>>>>
>>>> https://community.foundry.com/discuss/topic/129006
>>>>
>>>> In my case I hit the point that mighty Frank is mentioning:
>>>>
>>>> "Unless you are mixing different aspect ratios you should not have to
>>>> physically un-squeeze the footage (which would only introduce filter 
>>>> hits)."
>>>>
>>>> So, that's exactly my case. How should I approach the workflow when
>>>> bringing in standard square pixel footage to merge? Using a Transform with
>>>> a width of "0.5" seems awfully wrong. Is doubling the pixel width of my
>>>> anamorphic footage the correct way? Seems also not very attractive to
>>>> double the pixel count...and also some filter issues like Frank mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Sven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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