Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gomm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the scipy >>> code of conduct which I have not looked at, but I’m troubled by the >>> inclusion of “political beliefs” in the document. >> >> >> It was not brought up explicitly as far as I remember. >> >>> >>> See e.g. >>> https://github.com/jupyter/governance/pull/5 >> >> >> That's about moving names around. I don't see any mention of political >> beliefs? > > > Sorry about that, I elided the 6. This is the correct link: > > https://github.com/jupyter/governance/pull/56 > >> >> >>> >>> As a thought experiment, what if someone’s political beliefs imply that >>> other contributors are not deserving of human rights? Increasingly ideas >>> like this are coming into the mainstream worldwide and I think this is a >>> real concern that should be considered. >> >> >> There is a difference between having beliefs, and expressing those beliefs >> in ways that offends others. I don't see any problem with saying that we >> welcome anyone, irrespective of political belief. However, if someone starts >> expressing things that are intolerant (like someone else not deserving human >> rights) on any of our communication forums or in an in-person meeting, that >> would be a clear violation of the CoC. Which can be dealt with via the >> reporting and enforcement mechanism in the CoC. >> >> I don't see a problem here, but I would see a real problem with removing >> the "political beliefs" phrase. > > > For another perspective on this issue see > https://where.coraline.codes/blog/oscon/, where Coraline Ada describes her > reasons for not speaking at OSCON this year due to a similar clause in the > code of conduct.
I agree with Ralf. From your link: """ But the inclusion of this language, making political affiliation a protected class, leads me to believe that alt-right technologists would be as welcome at the conference as I would be. Including alt-right technologists who display on their clothing, for example, neo-Nazi insignia. Or t-shirts printed with anti-trans or anti-Black slogans. These could easily be interpreted as protected political speech. """ That's the point. If you wear a t-shirt with anti-trans or anti-Black slogans to a Scipy event covered by the code of conduct, that would qualify as 'expressing things that are intolerant', as Ralf put it. Cheers, Matthew _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
