I think the issue in random specifically is that a raw list of
available functions does not provide suitable guidance for someone looking
for random variate generating function.  This is because the module-level
API is mostly dominated by methods of the singleton RandomState instance.
Best practice going forward is to use the methods of a Generator instance,
most likely provided by default_rng(). A simple API-list will not be able
to provide this guidance.

FFT has a very simple API and so a simple list make sense.  Similarly,
np.random before the generation was revamped, which is hy the old-style was
adequate for <=1.16, but not for >=1.17

Kevin


On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:09 PM Paul M. <pmma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Melissa,
>
> I think that's the right approach.  Looking through the current docs, I
> think the page on the FFT module is exemplary in this regard:
>
> https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/routines.fft.html
>
> It lists all the available functions (with links to details), and then has
> a section on "Background Information", "Implementation Details", etc.  It's
> easy to get a quick overview of what the available functions are, and then
> ease into the background info in terms of how it works.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:44 PM Melissa Mendonça <meliss...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Do you think having a page with the flat list of routines back, in
>> addition to the explanations, would solve this?
>>
>> - Melissa
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:34 PM Paul M. <pmma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The documentation of Numpy's submodules  used to have a fairly standard
>>> structure as shown here in the 1.16 documentation:
>>>
>>>   https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-1.16.1/reference/routines.random.html
>>>
>>> Now the same page in the API documentation looks like this:
>>>
>>>   https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/random/index.html
>>>
>>> While I appreciate the expository text in the new documentation about
>>> how the generators work, this new version is much less useful as a
>>> reference to the API.  It seems like it might fit better in the user manual
>>> rather than the API reference.
>>>
>>> From my perspective it seems like the new version of the documentation
>>> is harder to navigate in terms of finding information quickly (more
>>> scrolling, harder to get a bird's eye view of functions in various
>>> submodules, etc).
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had a similar reaction to the changes? I teach a couple
>>> of courses in scientific computing and bioinformatics and my students seem
>>> to also struggle to get a sense of what the different modules offer based
>>> on the new version of the documentation. For now, I'm referring them to the
>>> old (1.70) reference manuals as a better way to get acquainted with the
>>> libraries.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Paul Magwene
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