On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Wiebe <mwwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Matthew Brett > <matthew.br...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Benjamin Root <ben.r...@ou.edu> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Alan G Isaac <alan.is...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Can you provide an example where a more formal >> >> governance structure for NumPy would have meant >> >> more or better code development? (Please do not >> >> suggest the NA discussion!) >> >> >> > >> > Why not the NA discussion? Would we really want to have that happen >> again? >> > Note that it still isn't fully resolved and progress still needs to be >> made >> > (I think the last thread did an excellent job of fleshing out the >> ideas, but >> > it became too much to digest. We may need to have someone go through >> the >> > information, reduce it down and make one last push to bring it to a >> > conclusion). The NA discussion is the perfect example where a >> governance >> > structure would help resolve disputes. >> >> Yes, that was the most obvious example. I don't know about you, but I >> can't see any sign of that one being resolved. >> >> The other obvious example was the dispute about ABI breakage for numpy >> 1.5.0 where I believe Travis did invoke some sort of committee to >> vote, but (Travis can correct me if I'm wrong), the committee was >> named ad-hoc and contacted off-list. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Can you provide an example of what you might >> >> envision as a "more formal governance structure"? >> >> (I assume that any such structure will not put people >> >> who are not core contributors to NumPy in a position >> >> to tell core contributors what to spend their time on.) >> >> >> >> Early last December, Chuck Harris estimated that three >> >> people were active NumPy developers. I liked the idea of >> >> creating a "board" of these 3 and a rule that says any >> >> active developer can request to join the board, that >> >> additions are determined by majority vote of the existing >> >> board, and that having the board both small and odd >> >> numbered is a priority. I also suggested inviting to this >> >> board a developer or two from important projects that are >> >> very NumPy dependent (e.g., Matplotlib). >> >> >> >> I still like this idea. Would it fully satisfy you? >> >> >> > >> > I actually like that idea. Matthew, is this along the lines of what you >> > were thinking? >> >> Honestly it would make me very happy if the discussion moved to what >> form the governance should take. I would have thought that 3 was too >> small a number. > > > One thing to note about this point is that during the NA discussion, the > only people doing active C-level development were Charles and me. I suspect > a discussion about how to recruit more people into that group might be more > important than governance at this point in time. > > You flatter me, but thanks ;) Over the past 15 months or so, it's been pretty much all Mark. <snip> Chuck
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