On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Travis Oliphant <tra...@continuum.io>wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I've been waiting for Mark Wiebe to arrive in Austin where he will spend
> several weeks, but I also know that masked arrays will be only one of the
> things he and I are hoping to make head-way on while he is in Austin.
>  Nevertheless, we need to make progress on the masked array discussion and
> if we want to finalize the masked array implementation we will need to
> finish the design.
>
> I've caught up on most of the discussion including Mark's NEP, Nathaniel's
> NEP and other writings and the very-nice mailing list discussion that
> included a somewhat detailed discussion on the algebra of IGNORED.   I
> think there are some things still to be decided.  However, I think some
> things are pretty clear:
>
>        1) Masked arrays are going to be fundamental in NumPy and these
> should replace most people's use of numpy.ma.   The numpy.ma code will
> remain as a compatibility layer
>
>        2) The reality of #1 and NumPy's general philosophy to date means
> that masked arrays in NumPy should support the common use-cases of masked
> arrays (including getting and setting of the mask from the Python and
> C-layers).  However, the semantic of what the mask implies may change from
> what numpy.ma uses to having  a True value meaning selected.
>
>        3) There will be missing-data dtypes in NumPy.   Likely only a
> limited sub-set (string, bytes, int64, int32, float32, float64, complex64,
> complex32, and object) with an API that allows more to be defined if
> desired.   These will most likely use Mark's nice machinery for managing
> the calculation structure without requiring new C-level loops to be defined.
>
>        4) I'm still not sure about whether the IGNORED concept is
> necessary or not.    I really like the separation that was emphasized
> between implementation (masks versus bit-patterns) and operations
> (propagating versus non-propagating).   Pauli even created another
> dimension which I don't totally grok and therefore can't remember.   Pauli?
>  Do you still feel that is a necessary construction?  But, do we need the
> IGNORED concept to indicate what amounts to different default key-word
> arguments to functions that operate on NumPy arrays containing missing data
> (however that is represented)?    My current weak view is that it is not
> really necessary.   But, I could be convinced otherwise.
>
> I think the good news is that given Mark's hard-work and Nathaniel's
> follow-up we are really quite far along.   I would love to get Nathaniel's
> opinion about what remains un-done in the current NumPy code-base.   I
> would also appreciate knowing (from anyone with an interest) opinions of
> items 1-4 above and anything else I've left out.
>
>
Somewhat off topic, but as I wander around inside Numpy these days I'm
impressed as to how much code Mark touched in implementing masked arrays,
the traces are everywhere. It's quite remarkable, especially given the
short amount of time he had to work on it.

Chuck
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