On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Ondřej Čertík <ondrej.cer...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.br...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> [Travis wrote...] >>> My strong suggestion is that development discussions of the project >>> continue on >>> this list with consensus among the active participants being the goal for >>> development. I don't think 100% consensus is a rigid requirement --- but >>> certainly a super-majority should be the goal, and serious changes should >>> not be >>> made with out a clear consensus. I would pay special attention to >>> under-represented people (users with intense usage of NumPy but small >>> voices on >>> this list). There are many of them. If you push me for specifics then >>> at >>> this point in NumPy's history, I would say that if Chuck, Nathaniel, and >>> Ralf >>> agree on a course of action, it will likely be a good thing for the >>> project. I >>> suspect that even if only 2 of the 3 agree at one time it might still be a >>> good >>> thing (but I would expect more detail and discussion). There are others >>> whose >>> opinion should be sought as well: Ondrej Certik, Perry Greenfield, Robert >>> Kern, >>> David Cournapeau, Francesc Alted, and Mark Wiebe to name a few. For some >>> questions, I might even seek input from people like Konrad Hinsen and Paul >>> Dubois --- if they have time to give it. I will still be willing to offer >>> my >>> view from time to time and if I am asked. >> >> Thank you for starting this discussion. >> >> I am more or less offline at the moment in Cuba and flying, but I hope >> very much this will be an opportunity for a good discussion on the >> best way forward for numpy. >> >> Travis - I think you are suggesting that there should be no one >> person in charge of numpy, and I think this is very unlikely to work >> well. Perhaps there are good examples of well-led projects where >> there is not a clear leader, but I can't think of any myself at the >> moment. My worry would be that, without a clear leader, it will be >> unclear how decisions are made, and that will make it very hard to >> take strategic decisions. >> >> I would like to humbly suggest the following in the hope that it spurs >> discussion. >> >> As first pass, Ralf, Chuck and Nathaniel decide on a core group of >> people that will form the succession committee. Maybe this could be >> the list of people you listed above. >> >> Ralf, Chuck and Nathaniel then ask for people to wish to propose >> themselves as the leader of numpy. Anyone proposing themselves to >> lead numpy would remove themselves from the succession committee. >> >> The proposed leaders of numpy write a short manifesto saying why they >> are the right choice for the job, and what they intend to do if >> elected. The manifestos and issues arising are discussed in public on >> the mailing list - the equivalent of an online presidential debate. >> >> In due course - say after 2 weeks or after the discussion seems to be >> dying out - the succession committee votes on the leader. I propose >> that these votes should be public, but I can see the opposite >> argument. > > Travis has very clearly made "Chuck, Nathaniel, and Ralf" as the leaders > of the project. But as always ---- he didn't pick them because he > needed to create leaders. They were already the de-facto leaders > of the project due to their actions, involvements and respect in the > community, > so he just made it official. > > >> How does that sound? > > To me that sounds like a bad idea. That being said, if Chuck, > Nathaniel, and Ralf > agree that it would be a good idea, that's fine with me too.
I forgot to add --- Matthew, I'll be happy to discuss this over phone once you get back to the US. I know we had discussions over this in the past, but I couldn't offer much advice, as I didn't understand the inner working of the numpy development. I now understand it much better. Ondrej _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
