There's a good chance that bokeh.charts will be split off into a separately 
distributed package as well. Hopefully being a much smaller, pure Python 
project makes it a more accessible target for anyone interested in maintaining 
it, and if no one is interested in it anymore, well that fact becomes easier to 
judge. I think it would be a reasonable approach here for the same reasons. 

Bryan

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 13:54, Benjamin Root <ben.v.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That's not a bad idea. Matplotlib is currently considering something similar 
> for its mlab module. It has been there since the beginning, but it is very 
> outdated and very out-of-scope for matplotlib. However, there are still lots 
> of code out there that depends on it. So, we are looking to split it off as 
> its own package. The details still need to be worked out (should we initially 
> depend on the package and simply alias its import with a DeprecationWarning, 
> or should we go cold turkey and have a good message explaining the change).
> 
> Ben Root
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Todd <toddr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Charles R Harris 
>>> <charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Just throwing this click bait out for discussion. Now that the `@` operator 
>>> is available and things seem to be moving towards Python 3, especially in 
>>> the classroom, we should consider the real possibility of deprecating the 
>>> matrix type and later removing it. No doubt there are old scripts that 
>>> require them, but older versions of numpy are available for those who need 
>>> to run old scripts. 
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>> 
>> What if the matrix class was split out into its own project, perhaps as a 
>> scikit.  That way those who really need it can still use it.  If there is 
>> sufficient desire for it, those who need it can maintain it.  If not, it 
>> will hopefully it will take long enough for it to bitrot that everyone has 
>> transitioned.
>> 
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