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You can't please 100% of people 100% of the time. You made a decision to
better the experience for those willing to learn a new interface. Don't worry
about the dissenters. It will give you gray hairs for no reason.
> On May 15, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Matthew Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> I believe you can get exactly the experience you are describing with HTM
> Forum.
>
> The forum's preferences are very flexible. You can set it up to monitor only
> the topics you're interested in, like HTM Theory, NuPIC, and HTM Hackers, for
> instance. It can send you emails for each new topic or post, depending on
> your preferences. From these emails, you can reply directly or click the
> "View Topic" button to jump right into the forum for discussion (which I
> recommend).
>
> So you can continue to use email as a notification service for conversations,
> but launch into HTM Forum to have the conversations. Think of it like Github
> uses emails. You don't usually reply to a Github email, you use it a trigger
> to launch into the Github website, where their are many more tools for you.
> It's the same thing here.
>
>
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> Matt Taylor
> OS Community Flag-Bearer
> Numenta
>
>> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Marek Otahal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Matthew Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> So we are three days into the forum migration, and things are going well.
>>> Good news and bad news, of course, so here is an update.
>>>
>>> The Good News
>>>
>>> The new forum [1] is working very well. We already have over 200 users [2],
>>> 74 topics, and 261 posts. The transition has gone very smoothly so far in
>>> terms of migrating users over into the new system. People are getting used
>>> to the new platform pretty quickly.
>>>
>>> The Bad News
>>>
>>> Email parsing in the new forum as not as good as I had hoped it would be,
>>> so users are not able to reply with inline quotes, they must reply at the
>>> top of an email [3]. Users are able to reply via email and start topics via
>>> email, but it's obvious that the new forum is not as good of a mailing list
>>> as Mailman, our mailing list software.
>>>
>>> That being said, out of the 200+ users we have, only a few people are
>>> actually still using email at this point to interact with HTM Forum. I've
>>> been actively trying to get users to log into the website and use the web
>>> interface, which is where all the power tools are.
>>>
>>> Migration Status: 83%
>>>
>>> I sent out invitations to 1,121 email addresses across all our mailing
>>> lists, and so far only 194 of you have joined up. That means 83% of you are
>>> have not migrated yet. If you haven't already, please register at
>>> https://discourse.numenta.org or follow the link in the invitation you were
>>> sent. Join us on HTM Forum!
>>
>> Little late to the party, but the decision process for the forums was rather
>> quick.
>> Personally, I'm not going to monitor the forums as closely as the emails,
>> (if ever, maybe only actively posting my questions and monitoring them).
>>
>> I agree some nice view and history search on the ML quite sucks, IMHO the
>> best compromise would be to use ML, and have Curators (well, anyone
>> bothering enough) to move some interesting discussion to the forums for
>> highlight/archiving)
>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://discourse.numenta.org/categories
>>> [2] https://discourse.numenta.org/users
>>> [3] https://discourse.numenta.org/t/reported-email-quirks/291
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------
>>> Matt Taylor
>>> OS Community Flag-Bearer
>>> Numenta
>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Matthew Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hello NuPIC,
>>>>
>>>> First of all... DON'T PANIC.
>>>>
>>>> TL;DR: I'm migrating all our mailing lists to HTM Forum. This mailing list
>>>> will be frozen and archived and further discussion will happen on HTM
>>>> Forum. Here's why, and here is the plan. I sent an email invitation to
>>>> each subscriber to join the new forum, please follow the instructions.
>>>>
>>>> Some explanation...
>>>>
>>>> When we started the NuPIC open source project in 2013, we had to establish
>>>> a solid communication channel for the community. I argued at the time for
>>>> a very old mailing list software called "Mailman", and that's what we've
>>>> used for all our mailing lists so far.
>>>>
>>>> There are good things and bad things about this, but as the community has
>>>> grown, I've found the mailing lists getting hard to follow and confusing
>>>> for new users. I get emails from people on a weekly basis who cannot
>>>> figure out how to subscribe or unsubscribe from our lists because of the
>>>> early 1990s interface. There are also frequent situations where
>>>> discussions are inadvertently broken up into separate email threads for
>>>> very obscure technical reasons that have no real solution. Not to mention
>>>> people replying to digest emails. 😡
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time to modernize our communication channels, so we are
>>>> moving all our mailing lists to Discourse (created by the same team that
>>>> brought you Stack Overflow). I've been talking to Jeff Atwood and the
>>>> Discourse team over the past few months, and they have given us a FREE
>>>> forum at https://discourse.numenta.org, which I have been setting up for
>>>> community usage. Discourse is an amazing forum, and I'm really happy about
>>>> this move.
>>>>
>>>> So... THIS MAILING LIST WILL BE SHUT DOWN AND ARCHIVED ON JUNE 27 2016!
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, you should have received an email from
>>>> "[email protected]" inviting you to join HTM Forum. Please
>>>> follow the instructions in this email to set up your account. (Check your
>>>> spam folder if you did not get one, and don't worry if you can't find it,
>>>> you can just sign up normally at https://discourse.numenta.org.)
>>>>
>>>> Can I still use email to interact with the new forum?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and here are detailed instructions. You can still get posts delivered
>>>> to your inbox, reply to them, and they will show up on the forum. You can
>>>> also start new topics via email. But please keep in mind that Discourse is
>>>> a rich discussion interface, with many useful features that can only be
>>>> used at https://discourse.numenta.org. I encourage you all to try the web
>>>> interface before defaulting to email-only. I think you'll like it.
>>>>
>>>> What will happen to the old mailing list archives?
>>>>
>>>> We'll store them indefinitely in their current archived locations. New
>>>> messages sent to these lists will be rejected after the migration is
>>>> complete. An auto-responder will direct the sender to HTM Forum.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you do something so drastic without holding a vote or something?
>>>>
>>>> Open source communities are not always democratic. I feel strongly that
>>>> the community will benefit greatly from this move. It's not about Numenta,
>>>> really, it's about fostering the growth, cohesion, and health of the HTM
>>>> community. I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I think the
>>>> timing is right for this change. Of the small sample of community members
>>>> who I have engaged on this issue, all of them have eventually approved the
>>>> decision.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have any other questions, feel free to respond to this email until
>>>> June 27th. But I'd rather hear from you on HTM Forum. 😉
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> ---------
>>>> Matt Taylor
>>>> OS Community Flag-Bearer
>>>> Numenta
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marek Otahal :o)
>
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