On October 21, 2021 3:37:36 PM UTC, Ted Mittelstaedt via Nut-upsdev <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi Jim, > >As a published author I'm going to jump in here and make a correction >you might think it small but it's extremely important. > >Under WIPO and copyright law setout therein, facts ARE NOT >copyrightable. Powercom cannot dictate terms to us or to anyone on how > >the the documentation they sent to us is used. Only expressions are >copyrightable. > >I realize it may be hairsplitting to you. Let me illustrate: > >The sentence: > >"The AC Adapter runs off 60Hz power" > >is not copyrightable. However, the sentence: > >We recommend that the AC adapter be used on a power strip with surge >suppression" > >is copyrightable because it's an expression. > >In short, Powercom has no legal ability to exercise copyright control >because of any business requirement to make information available - in >short, they may want the old docs removed (so as to enhance sales of >new >devices or any other reason) however they have no legal authority to >demand this. > >Do not give them a legal power to do this by asking whether or not we >can keep the old docs up. Under copyright law they do not have this >power. > >That doesn't mean we shouldn't be nice, they asked us to remove the old > >docs, and while they have no legal authority to make that request we >can >acknowledge that they have expressed that desire and try to honor it as > >much as is reasonable by prominently marking the old docs as obsolete. > >I'll assume their motivation to take the old docs down is to prevent >confusion among developers when there is a conflict between the old doc > >and the new doc. I'm just trying to explain we can't do that since we >have to still support the old gear, but we can eliminate that possible >confusion by being explicit on what is what. > >Ted > >On 10/20/2021 12:04 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: >> Thanks Ted, >> >> that echoes my thoughts: any HW supported by NUT at some point and >> with a population of units physically alive, whether marketed or >> supported by original vendors or not, should better be documented. >> >> So if the old docs are in some way better than new one, even if >> explaining quirks not relevant and not documented for same-named >> models or firmware sold today, I believe such docs should remain >> available (maybe marked as old stuff, but ready for revision). After >> all, currently shipped drivers probably correspond to that spec?.. >> >> @Dinow: how strict is the business/etc. requirement to make that >older >> info truly unavailable? Can we keep it visible but maybe marked >> deprecated? >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 12:05 Ted Mittelstaedt via Nut-upsdev >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, Dinow, >> >> >> I'm not a NUT admin but you posted this to a public mailing list >> so I'm going to just send a response to that list since it's a >> public posting. >> >> >> The current documentation you sent is much sparser than the older >> docs. So I think the older docs are going to still be valuable >> for just that reason alone, as an addition to the newer current >> documentation. I do not know what the admins are going to do but >> I would hope they merely mark the old documents as "Old" and add >> this to them. >> >> >> Unlike commercial software, open source software projects usually >> do not have the luxury of removing support for older hardware >that >> is no longer in production from the manufacturer. >> >> >> As a NUT user I cannot thank you enough for supporting open >source >> software projects like NUT. >> >> >> Ted >> >> >> >> On 10/19/2021 7:28 PM, dinow via Nut-upsdev wrote: >>> >>> Good Day NUT administrators >>> >>> AA. My name is Dinow and the engineer of *Powercom* corporation >>> >>> BB. Could you help us to : >>> >>> B1. *Remove* the current list from Powercom >> >>> https://networkupstools.org/ups-protocols.html >>> <https://networkupstools.org/ups-protocols.html>: >>> >>> * USB information for BNT series >>> * USB information for IMPERIAL series >>> * USB information for SKP series >>> * USB information for WOW series >>> >>> B2. *Add* a item and its document >>> >>> * USB information for *all* Powercom's UPS >>> * Add attached *PDF* as its document >>> >>> CC. Big Thanks for your help >>> >>> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to inform us >>> >>> Sincerely yours truly, Oct. 20th >>> >>> Dinow Hsieh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nut-upsdev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsdev >> _______________________________________________ >> Nut-upsdev mailing list >> [email protected] >> >https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsdev >>
Thank you Ted for the explanation, indeed I did not realize such fine-print nuances, so much appreciated! Jim -- Typos courtesy of K-9 Mail on my Android _______________________________________________ Nut-upsdev mailing list [email protected] https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nut-upsdev
