In addition, if merging the drafts, the "merged draft" will need several extra 
sections to describe Layer 2 extension, Layer 2 closed user groups, the 
communications within Closed User Groups, and the communication between the 
Closed User Groups. 

With those sections added, extra text has to devoted to differentiate the Layer 
2 context from the original Layer 3 focused discussion. As of now the 
draft-ietf-nvo3-overlay-problem-statement is very Layer 3 focused. 

Linda Dunbar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:03 PM
> To: Thomas Narten; Yakov Rekhter
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; Linda
> Dunbar; [email protected]; [email protected]; wim.henderickx@alcatel-
> lucent.com; Luyuan Fang (lufang)
> Subject: Re: [nvo3] draft-rekhter-nvo3-vm-mobility-issues-03.txt as
> nvo3 WG documen
> 
> 
> Thomas,
> 
> Besides optimal routing that is covered in section 3.4, the draft also
> talks about layer-2 extension and differentiation between VLANs and
> VLAN-Ids - sections 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3. Although section 3.5 may be
> obvious
> but it is worth to be noted as well.
> 
> Also, this draft talks about the presence of these mobility issues not
> just for intra-DC but also for inter-DC scenarios (and furthermore
> inter-AS).
> 
> I either don't see these mobility issues been covered in the problem
> statement draft or if they have been covered not to this extent.
> Although
> you may have a concern regarding proliferation of additional drafts;
> however, at the same time we don't want to impede the progress either.
> 
> So, if it is decided to merge this draft with problem statement draft,
> then the coverage in problem statement draft should be to the same
> extent
> as this one. Since Yakov is the primary author of this draft, I'd like
> to
> hear his take.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ali
> 
> 
> On 11/28/12 11:02 AM, "Thomas Narten" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> >Yakov,
> >
> >Actually, the chairs did respond to your first request. See
> >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nvo3/current/msg01764.html.
> >
> >The one response to this I see in the archive said:
> >
> >> > Can you and/or your co-authors please comment on the following two
> >> > questions: 1. How does the draft apply to our charter and
> milestones?
> >>
> >> WH> it addresses the following part of the charter:
> >> Support the placement and migration of VMs anywhere within the data
> >> center, without being limited by DC network constraints such as the
> IP
> >> subnet boundaries of the underlying DC network.
> >
> >This seems like a pretty weak justification to me. Not every document
> >related to VM migration will automatically be in scope as an NVO3 WG
> >document. IMO, this document by itself doesn't really make sense as a
> >standalone WG document.
> >
> >The document is pretty short. If you skip the definitions/background,
> >the "meat" seems to be section 3.4. This section covers ground that
> >the problem statement covers (though could be expanded on, i.e., to
> >explicitly also mention the case of in-bound traffic). I.e., see
> >section 3.7. (And note that the issue can occur within a single data
> >center, you don't need to have a virtual network span multiple data
> >centers as your document seems to focus on.)
> >
> >My suggestion would be to have the problem statement expand section
> >3.7 to explicitly cover both the ingress and egress cases.
> >
> >Thomas
> >

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