On 3/30/15 1:16 PM, Lucy yong wrote:
Hi Eric,

Here is my thought.

Congestion considerations, Header Protection, Entropy, MTU and Fragmentation, 
and QoS are specific for an encapsulation for tunneling.

Next-protocol, OAM, extensibility, Security, layering, and middle-box are 
applied to both types of encapsulations.

Service model may only apply to the encapsulation for a service.

Lucy,

I'm not sure I have a crisp definition of a "service" vs. "tunneling".

But looking at your examples I think there are less differences than you claim. For instance, if a "service" adds a header of some sort it needs to consider the MTU/frag implications of that header. And it needs to consider whether it needs to protect the header against bit errors (that are undetected by the link layer).

Furthermore, if the "service" can be applied to non-congestion controlled traffic, e.g., arbitrary Ethernet payload, then congestion needs to be considered.

So if we keep in mind that these are considerations and not requirements, then I don't think we need to try to find some way to separate them out. Upon considering something for e.g., SFC, it might turn out that no action is needed.

Thanks,
   Erik


Regards,
Lucy






-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:32 AM
To: Lucy yong; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations

On 3/25/15 2:23 PM, Lucy yong wrote:
Here is a suggestion to the draft.

There are two distinct encapsulation purposes.
1) an encapsulation for tunneling purpose, i.e. transport related 
encapsulation, e.g. nvo3.
2) an encapsulation for a service, i.e. transport independent encapsulation, 
e.g. sfc.

Considerations for two types of encapsulations have difference. It is good for 
the draft to point out that and give separate considerations.
Lucy,

which considerations in the draft are different for the two types you suggest?

Thanks,
     Erik

Thanks,
Lucy


-----Original Message-----
From: nvo3 [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik Nordmark
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations


I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim meeting.The full 12 
areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this week.
    The draft is
      http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/
    and the slides are at
     http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf

There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3, and advice 
that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.

Regards,
      Erik



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