Folks,

made
I don't like this discussion, it reminds mean about dog fighting. Two dogs that 
could well together, for example pulling a sleigh are made to fight each other. 
Standards will never work unless we have the market that will eventually 
decide, the market can ever decide unless we have working standard to guide. 

/Loa

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> On 26 juli 2016, at 13:18, Alia Atlas <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Alternately,  it is disheartening to see an expectation that solutions coming 
> in will simply be rubber-stamped after enough time with no improvement.
> 
> It's rough consensus & running code, after all.
> 
> Regards, 
> Alia
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2016 5:40 AM, "Paul Quinn (paulq)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Alia,
>> 
>> > On Jul 25, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Alia Atlas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Paul,
>> >
>> > Option 1 is giving up on the Standards process and waiting until the 
>> > market has
>> > decided.
>> >
>> > There are always pre-standard implementations and deployments.  
>> > Regrettably,
>> > there are more than would have been the case had better discussion happened
>> > earlier in NVO3.
>> >
>> 
>> Perhaps another way to look at this is: in the real world multiple options 
>> exist to solve / address different requirements.  This isn't a bad thing, 
>> and we, as a community recognize that.
>> 
>> Further, given the implementation realities of the protocols, it is 
>> disheartening to see the value of running code diminished/ing at the IETF.
>> 
>> Paul
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