Dear Nigel
This is very helpful.
Thank you
Lesley
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From: DE KARE-SILVER, Nigel (GLADSTONE MEDICAL CENTRE) <[email protected]>
Sent: 05 December 2022 06:51
To: Lesley Williams <[email protected]>
Cc: DE KARE-SILVER, Nigel (GLADSTONE MEDICAL CENTRE) <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: ACTION PLS: Clinical review needed of NWL LES specs by Thursday 
15/12/22

Hi

It is very difficult to go through all the detail and conditions

My view is that al;l the snomed coding should be inclusive

In consultations it is more important the clinician codes the problem rather 
than is forced to fret to find the right template or the right code.  The 
principle I believe is the system should support the clinician and not the 
clinician support the system
Similarly each document is massively long and it is impossible to digest all 
the details


LTBI        ignores east European countries  we have a high prevalence of 
latent tb from east Europe and the list discriminates again testing here
Ring pessary       should be sufficient to cover cost of 3 consultations – 
assessment and recommendations / procedure / post fitting check + 6 monthly 
replacement
AF           remuneration for screening feels very low
DMARD                The document is too  long    However points above apply.   
 It is not clear if payment is number of phlebotomies per year or patient has 
been reviewed in most recent quarter.
                                Payment appears to be for phlebotomy and review 
alone and ignores admin cost by clinician prescriber or admin to check path 
result are up to date in eligible population   This in itself is 10 minutes
MH                         should have remuneration and targets subject to 
adjustments according to community services ie Westminster 75% more funding 
than Brenet
                                We need a support tool  We have 9KP for 
diabetes we need 27KP for mental health    Systems need updating
                                Payment should not be predicate don all data 
achieved
                                Data collection codes should be inclusive
Phlebotomy       remuneration is insulting  I understand hospital remuneration 
was set at £50 - £150???
Wound care        remuneration is insulting  This can take 30 – 45 minutes in 
some cases and multiple times per week and month –
ECG                        home visit – will need supply of IT equipment that 
can take softwares – not all devices can do this and accept manufacturers 
downloads
                                Home visit – we send for safety HCAs and Nurses 
out in pairs need higher remuneration
                                                                When out it 
takes best part of 1 hour per patient which means increased numbers stacking up 
in practice for back fill
                                                                Remuneration 
needs ot be set at a higher level
                                The equipment is provided but often needs 
maintenance which is expensive       either higher remuneration or maintenance 
charges need to be paid centrally
ABPM                   remuneration needs to be set higher
                                20 minute appointment to fix and instruct 
patient on how to handle equipment
                                Single next day appointment to dismantle and 
load software
                                GP review – 5 – 10 minutes


Best wishes





Nigel











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Dear all
Please could we have your views on the clinical aspects of these draft specs. 
by close of play Thursday 15 December.
We are still awaiting full financial information, therefore we would be 
grateful for feedback on the clinical aspects only at this stage please.

Many thanks
Lesley

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