seriously, a lot of "T1s" these days run on top of HDLC. I had 2 of these in my house in Tx:
https://www6.adc.com/ecom/wps? lineid=OND2737&group=T1%2bTransport%252FHiGain&EXPAND=OND50995&L=EC_List _Group_Index.html&R=WPS_Out_Hierarchy.html&ID=OND50995
Wayport paid about $150/mo for the *pair* of T1s, basically just the tail circuits on one side.
Here in Spokane, I run on ADSL. Its nice, but the routing out of my provider leaves something to be desired.
The real difference is that you can call in trouble on a T1. Just try it with ADSL.
The situation is somewhat different outside the US (hi Lars), but since this is 'nycwireless', I'll not digress.
Since this *is* a wireless list, I'll point out that ADC wouldn't build this:
http://www.adc.com/Library/Literature/1264821.pdf
if the carriers weren't asking for it. Note the support for 802.1x *and* HTTP redirection, 23dBm radio, SMA connectors, etc.
I'm sure it costs and arm and a leg, but remember that the guys who would deploy this have access to the CO (thus the line-power fun) and they care a whole lot less about costs than most people here.
Jim
On Mar 29, 2004, at 1:33 PM, Nigel Ballard wrote:
I agree, DSL is a way more sensible route than a fully committed rate T-1,
even in downtown areas.
Cheers Nigel
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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:28 PM To: Nigel Ballard Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'jon baer' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] T-Mobile brings in $13 bucks a day
Nigel Ballard wrote:Add staff, marketing, the kickback to Starbucks, IBM Global Services, Insurance, marketing etc. It starts to look like a very ugly business model.
If you see the public hotspot wifi as a separate business, the best model to
cover the costs is to make a big old telco hide it in its gigantic balance
sheet. The telco pays the wifi losses and gets the prestige of "the
wireless Internet of the future" in return. That's why T-Mobile owns it, if
you ask me (and Telia-Sonera in Sweden and Finland).
The most affordable way to do public hotspot wifi is to use DSL or cable
access at cost level (i.e. below the price of residential broadband, which
is already far below the price of business broadband), something only
incumbent telcos or cable-TV companies can do with their own cables. That's
what Verizon started to do in Manhattan pay phones. How did that go?
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