Hello all:
I am new to the list. I picked up a Sony ux50 with wifi and had tried the City Hall Hotspot about 2145 on Thursday. Connected but got nowhere quick. Is that typical around the city?
Noted the same in EastSide 86 St Barnes n Noble. That was a Cometa.
Please ignore what follows. I am still trying to tame Eudora for Palm.
Adam
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:04:41 -0700 From: "Karol Kulaga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Confessions of a War Driver To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Well, if you are sitting outside of Lowe's aiming a vagi at the building it really can't be seen as accidental, but yeah. On a tangent, there is a *nix program out there that creates a AP with the same name as access point foo and acts as a proxy to the "real" AP - the premise is that wireless zero conf will switch over people's connections to hit the fake AP (stronger signal strength is kind of a requirement, but . .) so you can snag usernames and passwords and other such interesting stuff. The name escapes me.
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This is a good point ... Joe Hacker's claim ... "Microsoft made me do it."
Ive already personally seen it, people running around surfing the web and checking their personal setting to find out their are connected to Linksys vs. nycwireless.org ... kinda makes you wonder about the right people to really blame.
- Jon
>I would suggest that if you deploy wireless network which has open auth >by design that it's not illegal to associate with the access points.
Wireless zero config might connect you automatically.
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:46:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: Confessions of a War Driver To: Bruce Ehlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
see below-
Bruce Ehlers wrote:
I think it's a bit trite to suggest that somehow there are laws governing the use of an open wireless Internet connection and not quote them specifically.
I will pull up cases on pacer and westlaw or other sources and post the links.
You throw out all sorts of inuendo and rhetoric suggesting that the Patriot Act has anything to do with this discussion is way of base. You also suggested that the US Code Section had anything in it to make it illegal. I went to the section you suggested and found it to be exactly the opposite, "It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this title for any person - to intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public;"
I did not say you were looking at the wrong Section. I said the wrong DOCUMENT. The sub-sections may or may not be one document at your source, but I won't debate that. The Patriot Act modifies sections of 18 U.S.C. �2511. Again I will post the links to specific cases.
Then you say that was not the right section.
I did not say section when I respond to you. "Unfortunately you are looking at the wrong document .............."
Why don't you provide us with facts quoting the sections of law that are appropriate for this discussion, instead of the horse manure you are presenting here?
Horse manure? Have you been hanging around central park again? Sounds like someone may be on the verge of an "Emotional Outburst" I'm going have to charge someone for that, It can be expensive. Relax it is on a discussion.
Again I will give you PLENTY of info.
By the way, you can read about the Patriot Act and the US Code section here: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2511.html http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html
I won't take up any more of the lists time until I see FACTS, not conjecture where the "sky is always falling".
But some one may end up in Jail...............
Thanks,
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:26:11 -0400 From: Luis F Brathwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [nycwireless] Downtown Hotspots To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
If anyone experiences problems at any of the downtown hotspots using Internet Explorer, use Netscape instead.
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Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:15:54 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Henry) Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Confessions of a War Driver To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
No one has yet to show me the specific language in a specific bill that makes this a crime unless one then commits a malicious act. As an aside, when I sit on my deck, on my own property, my laptop might connect to one of 4 different networks, only one of which is mine. I am aware of this but a less computer literate user would not be, and you know it happens all the time. Laws that would make this a crime, if they even exist at all right now, will never pass the test of time. The only answer that will hold up is to make the owner of a network responsible for its security.
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Jim Henry wrote:
> I disagree with thew author of that article in that it is not a crime to > just connect to an unsecured wireless network (in the U.S.A. anyway) if you > do not use the connection in a malicious way. If I'm mistaken I'd sure like > to see the specific section of the law being violated.
Many States have Computer Crime Laws on the books that make it a crime to connect to unsecured networks. Play if you want to but you will end up a guest of the "Gray Bar" hotel. I'm seeing more and more requests for RF Engineers to track these guys down using RF finger printing.
----------------------------------------------------------------- War driver pleads guilty in Lowes WiFi hacks By Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus Jun 4 2004 1:04PM
The remaining defendant, 23-year-old Paul Timmins, is scheduled for arraignment on June 28th. In 2000, as a juvenile, Salcedo was one of the first to be charged under Michigan's state computer crime law, for allegedly hacking a local ISP. According to statements provided by Timmins and Botbyl following their arrest, as recounted in an FBI affidavit filed in the case, the pair first stumbled across an unsecured wireless network at the Southfield, Michigan Lowe's last spring, while "driving around with laptop computers looking for wireless Internet connections," i.e., wardriving. The two said they did nothing malicious with the network at that time.
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8835
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Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:24:20 -0500 From: "Bruce Ehlers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: Confessions of a War Driver To: "Bruce Ehlers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: NY Wireless List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
"There you go again"...
I can't wait to see your "Facts".
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----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bruce Ehlers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: Confessions of a War Driver
see below-
Bruce Ehlers wrote:
I think it's a bit trite to suggest that somehow there are laws governing the use of an open wireless Internet connection and not quote them specifically.
I will pull up cases on pacer and westlaw or other sources and post the links.
You throw out all sorts of inuendo and rhetoric suggesting that the Patriot Act has anything to do with this discussion is way of base. You also suggested that the US Code Section had anything in it to make it illegal. I went to the section you suggested and found it to be exactly the opposite, "It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this title for any person - to intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public;"
I did not say you were looking at the wrong Section. I said the wrong DOCUMENT. The sub-sections may or may not be one document at your source, but I won't debate that. The Patriot Act modifies sections of 18 U.S.C. �2511. Again I will post the links to specific cases.
Then you say that was not the right section.
I did not say section when I respond to you. "Unfortunately you are looking at the wrong document .............."
Why don't you provide us with facts quoting the sections of law that are appropriate for this discussion, instead of the horse manure you are presenting here?
Horse manure? Have you been hanging around central park again? Sounds like someone may be on the verge of an "Emotional Outburst" I'm going have to charge someone for that, It can be expensive. Relax it is on a discussion.
Again I will give you PLENTY of info.
By the way, you can read about the Patriot Act and the US Code section here: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2511.html http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html
I won't take up any more of the lists time until I see FACTS, not conjecture where the "sky is always falling".
But some one may end up in Jail...............
Thanks,
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Message: 9 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:46:56 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: Confessions of a War Driver To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Right back at you!
Bruce Ehlers wrote:
"There you go again"...
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Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:04:54 -0700 From: "Michael Yellin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Help with my Wireless connection at school To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, I tried WINDUMP, and absolutely nothing was recorded, no matter what I did.
I can't figure out why. I just ran the program (I only had one NIC in the computer) and nothing was displayed, or recorded, or anything.
Argggg, any help is once again, greatly appreciated.
Thanx Michael
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helpYoure looking for DHCP packets so if you use ethereal type "dhcp" in the capture filter or if you use windump type "windump port 67 or port 68" ....
Few quick notes on windump ...
* Type "windump -D" to get a list of devices ... * Type "windump -i [Number of the device to use] port 67 or 68" if you have multiple devices on your machine (cant remember if u said if u did or not)
These are packet sniffers used for debugging what is going in and out of your PC so they are very helpful in seeing if the network is working accordingly to what you expect.
- Jon
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 12:28:21PM -0700, Michael Yellin wrote: > Thanx for the help. I will use either windump or ethereal. But then, I > have no idea what to look for, or what type of "search" to run. Any> would be greatly appreciated > > Thanx > Michael
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