Ruben, you appear to raise the issue of common carriage often. You are insisting that an entity is a "common carrier" merely because another entity leases bandwidth or a service from it. Without going back to the 19th Century for the root of what today is regarded as a common carrier, allow me to say that there are private line carriers, specialized carriers, aggregators and consortiums, specialized service companies that lease market data feeds that also lease transmission capacity, and these are not "Common Carriers," per se. Then there are others who may wish to sublet capacity they've acquired from a real common carrier to others on an exclusive, or a defined, closed group basis. Today, not even many of the previously-classified common carriers are common carriers, having wormed their way out of the burden by declaring themselves ISPs, fwiw.
Frank -------------------- Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated: On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 07:01:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'll avoid replying to ad-hominem attacks. > > On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > homes, and that uses Verizon. Your PTP connection to Queens uses > > Verizon lines for that matter (unless 55 Broad has suddenly grown to > > Twin Tower size). > Welcome to state of wireless in 2006. We are running Orthogon Systems > radios, and we get ~50mbps across ~15 miles with LoS partially obstructed > by trees on the Queens side, and fresnel zone partially obstructed by > buildings on Manhattan side. > > (Yes, we do have roof rights in 55 Broad). > > > So how does what your saying have anything to do with the current > > discussion, or the side discussion of your dependence on Verizon for > > your business. > It does. We try our best to have our own network that is independent of > anyone. We've spent $$$$$ to get roof rights and buy orthogon radios vs > buying a DS3 circuit from VZ for exactly that reason. We are paying $$$$$ > for the build/splicing/IRUs on the dark fiber connecting buildings that we > are in for exactly that reason. We want to own our network. > This is all very interesting and all unrelated to the discussion, Clearly you depend on Verizon for access to your customer base. Clearly Verizon is a Common Carrier and Clearly YOU become a Common Carrier once someone purchases service from you. When you become a Commmon Carrier, the public has every right to expect unobstructive, and regulated business practices. > So, what exactly do network neutrality bills would do? "Strengthen" what? > Devil's in details. The Devil is in the Common Carrier which conducts business in a way to prevent fair competition...be their name Verizon, Time-Warner or Pilosoft. Ruben > Given the fact that NYCWireless historically supports > the more extreme positions, I find it important to emphasize that not all > "Neutrality" is a good thing. > Actually, it is. And, BTW, your opinion on this issue is not an isolated example. You have repeatedly favored giving businesses extra rights which limit the use and access to communication systems purchased in good faith by indiciduals for their needs. This has been a common thread with you from the GPL, to DRM, and now network access. You positions are fundementally in opposition to Free Software, and any other community based initiative. You also skipped over the admitence on your part of agreeing that their is a moral basis for regulating common carriers. If the details of fair implementation of Network Neutralily bothers you, I strongly suggest that you give up on your original position, a position which would clearly shoot your own business model in the foot, and join the conversation of those working to assure fair access to all individuals to "the network" when purchasing necessary common carrier access which remains the cornstone of the internet and our revolutionary digitally dependent society circa 2006. Ruben President - NYLXS -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://fairuse.nylxs.com "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
