For me, power has been MORE important than connectivity.  I can check
my email with my phone, but if I need to work on something I need my
laptop which needs power.  This became more important as my laptop's
batteries aged.  And then of course, what if your phone's dead.  You
don't need wi-fi, you need power.  

Power is the salt lick...

Circulation can be an issue (alt.coffee), but it can made a non-issue
(put the outlets under the counter like at Coliseum Books). 

I'd be curious for some ballpark statistics about the penny cost of
powering a laptop for 15 minutes.  I might be willing to pay for the
outlet, but I'd be happier doing what I do now: offsetting the cost
with some frothy frou-frou coffee drink. 

Rob


--- "Hammond, Robin-David%KB3IEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Not a bad idea. esp the shade one, with summer comming and all.
> 
> Complementary power outlets seem to be a thorny issue, if coffee
> shops 
> provide ready access to power, hotspots become areas of poor
> circulation, 
> with all the issues that causes for buisness owners.
> 
> I am curious: How many people reading this would be content using
> free 
> wifi, but paying a hefty rate for the use of electricity (extending
> your 
> indoor useage period beyond the life of your batteries), thereby
> ensuring 
> that the buisness owners arn't penalized by allowing you access to 
> electricity?
> 
> Anyone who NEEDs unblocked ports like tcp 25 can tunnel to thier home
> 
> computer, or get a free shell. I dont want to see overly open APs
> becoming 
> a source of anonymised spam. Blocked ports are probably a Good
> Thing(tm) 
> but tracking who is responsable in this field (and who is not) may
> help 
> boost awareness.
> 
> Biggles! Fetch the comfy chair!
> 
> 
>   On Thu, 11 May 2006, Rob Kelley wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:13:22 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Rob Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [nycwireless] Article: The right way to run a Wi-Fi cafe
> > 
> >
>
[http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/05/02/1951202.shtml?tid=39&tid=92
> ]
> >
> > Some of this article was obvious but most of it wasn't, especially
> to Joe Coffeeshop owner.
> >
> > My big thing is power outlets.   I like places where they're
> pentiful and easy to get to.
> >
> > In fact, I always thought it'd be cool to carry these
> not-so-obvious  facts about a hotspot like:
> >
> > 1. Indoor? Outdoor?
> > 2. Shade?
> > 3. Comfy chairs?
> > 4. Power outlets?
> > 5. Blocked ports?
> > 6. # Available seats (I go to places where there are a lot of
> seats).
> >
> > What makes a good wi-fi cafe?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
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