The sparrow is being seen ties. Am by unisphere On Dec 22, 2015 7:30 AM, "Andrew Baksh" <birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if the photos are publicly accessible but Cesar the finder > sent Corey photos that he took and they were posted in NY FB group. Those > photos looked more like a Clay-colored Sparrow. Keep in mind as we discuss > this bird that the light conditions yesterday at Flushing Meadows was > overcast for much of the day which could play a role in how the plumage > looked in photos taken yesterday vs the day it was found. > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu > > wrote: > >> To clarify one point that has been raised, Clay-colored Sparrow is also >> very long-tailed, like Brewer's. This distinction vs. Chipping >> (shorter-tailed) is sometimes evident in the field. >> >> Shai Mitra >> Bay Shore >> ________________________________________ >> From: bounce-120005371-3714...@list.cornell.edu [ >> bounce-120005371-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Steve Walter [ >> swalte...@verizon.net] >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 9:41 PM >> To: 'NY Birds' >> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Queens spizella sparrow >> >> I had the opportunity to photograph a few Brewer’s in Arizona in >> September 2012. I say Brewer’s because they are expected there – vastly >> outnumbering Clay-colored. But matching up some of the pictures to field >> guides was more difficult than you would think, especially with few actual >> photographs to compare to. I have a few of my pictures available online >> still, if anyone wants to compare. In one of them, the tail appears >> especially long. Also of note is that the crown streaking looks finer to me >> than on the Queens bird. Of course, age and time of year have to be taken >> into account. >> >> The address is http://stevewalternature.com/steve/sparrows.htm . The >> pictures to look at are labeled Las Cienagas 07, 08, and 09. >> >> >> Steve Walter >> >> From: bounce-120005318-8873...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: >> bounce-120005318-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of David Klauber >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:36 PM >> To: NY Birds <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Queens spizella sparrow >> >> I've done a bit of research on this and I think identification to >> species is inconclusive, as there seem to be characteristics that favor >> both Clay-colored and Brewer's. There is more confusion because I think the >> side of the face that shows a black semi-circle might be feather bases >> caused by the wind or ruffled feathers, since neither species shows this. >> Like almost everyone else I don't have extensive experience with either >> species, especially Brewer's, but here's what I've found from checking the >> Nat Geo, Sibley, Stokes photo guide, and Rising & Beadle's sparrow guide. >> >> There seems to be weak streaking on the gray nape, which I think should >> be stronger for Brewer's, but shouldn't be there for Clay-colored. The >> eye-ring seems a bit weak for Brewer's as well - could it be worn? The >> black streaks on the back are listed as good for Brewer's by Rising, etc, >> but Sibley paints Clay-colors with a similar pattern. Deborah Allen >> mentioned the tail looking short for Brewer's, and most books show Brewer's >> with a long tail. The overall color looks more like the grayish-brown of >> Brewer's. The face pattern doesn't look strong enough for Clay-color, but >> doesn't really match Brewer's either. >> >> The Stokes guide has a photo on page 666, bottom left, which comes pretty >> close to the Queens bird, but not quite. There is supposed to be a >> difference in the cheek color, but the previously mentioned black >> semicircle obscures this, although I think it's more gray (Brewer's) than >> buff (Clay-color). I don't know what to make of the faint blurry streaks on >> the side of the breast, but it does match the same Stokes photo. The pink >> bill is black on top, also good for Brewer's. >> >> So to my eyes a real head-scratcher. 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