Well said Tim, but I think I hear the footsteps of 
Chris T-H on the way, so I’m going to mention a bird in this post and “duck” 
out of the way of the ban hammer!

Mike Cooper
Ridge LI NY
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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Tim Dunn <timd...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Fred and any others interested, 
> Two mute swans by you is no problem. Up to 65 can be seen on any given day on 
> Argyle Lake in Babylon.  It is a pond that is less than 1/4 mile in 
> circumference.  All other breeding waterfowl here have been eradicated by 
> these swans. Some migrant waterfowl use the pond but less than in the past. 
> Few dabbling ducks use it as swans have eaten all vegetation on the bottom of 
> the pond to as far as their long necks can reach. 
> Geese come and go in migration here, but the mute swans are a constant.  So I 
> would expect that the reason that DEC wants to control them is that they are 
> an invasive species that is destroying the local ecosystem and driving out 
> native species. Maybe not happening by you, but definitely happening here in 
> western Suffolk. 
> Non-birders are aware of this issue because it appeared in the newspapers 
> when the DEC came out and said they would start removing the swans. That 
> typically means shooting, trapping, poisoning, etc. Hardly anyone likes the 
> idea of culling these birds through cruel and inhumane ways (including me), 
> so the subject comes up for a debate that has reached beyond birders and 
> wildlife people from time to time.  My understanding is that egg oiling and 
> similar tactics are being used, or at least are up for discussion, to control 
> the population. 
> Since they are an invasive and destructive species, any connection that an 
> observer feels to wildlife by viewing feral mute swans is based entirely on a 
> lack of understanding of the natural world around them. You might have done 
> more for the guy you ran into today if you had told him that if it weren’t 
> for those swans, he might be seeing ten different species of waterfowl that 
> they have driven away.  Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, but 
> I’d prefer green-wing teal and pintails to those swans. 
> (And sociologically speaking, to me those swans represent the escaped stock 
> of early successful Americans anxious to imitate the “Lords of the Manor” in 
> Europe, who are the same folks that my Irish ancestors fled to America to get 
> away from.) 
> While stepping around goose droppings and occasionally having to hit the 
> brakes to allow a goose flock to cross the street is an inconvenience, I 
> don’t think it has nearly the adverse effect on the local environment that 
> the swans have had in my part of Long Island. 
> Thanks,
> Tim Dunn
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Frederick Kedenburg <kedenb...@optonline.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Although yes, I do know this issue was posted locally on the NF, yet it 
>> still has many repercussions to birders throughout NYS therefore I am 
>> posting.
>> If you wish to eradicate Mute Swan I am sorry.
>> rk
>> North Fork LI NY: I went looking for the reported Snowy at the Mattituck 
>> Inlet Breakwater today but although I looked along the Beach, east & west 
>> and patrolled the DEC conservation and boat ramp area I could not find it. 
>> I’ll try again as once the species shows up it can be persistent. The 
>> predominant waterfowl there today was Long-tailed Duck. It was good to hear 
>> their call once again this season.
>> After some coffee and a late breakfast in Mattituck I went to Laurel Lake.
>> There were plentiful numbers of Ring-necked Duck, Ruddy Duck and American 
>> Coot. Also seen were one Great Blue Heron, one Pied Billed Grebe and a 
>> Gadwall.
>> As an aside:
>> There were two Mute Swan in the Laurel Lake compared to hundreds of Canada 
>> Geese there today.
>> Why does the NYS-DEC seem so preoccupied with extirpating all the Mute Swan 
>> and is doing next to nothing in addressing the vast numbers of Canada Geese 
>> in NYS. The geese cause so much damage to wetlands and to water quality due 
>> to the hugh amount of poop they produce. Loading nitrogen into our bays and 
>> wetlands is only part of the problem. Maneuvering about many parking lots 
>> and commercial businesses with grass without encountering poop is 
>> problematic.
>> I understand from DEC records that the Mute Swan population in NYS is 
>> somewhere between 2800 and 3500. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>> As I was looking through my scope this morning at Laurel Lake a fellow came 
>> along walking his dog and asked me what I was looking at. I gave him a brief 
>> description of the species there and he said to me. “Why do they want to 
>> kill all the swans? He continued to say “I love the Swans, they are so 
>> beautiful and my kids love to see them as well”. I wondered how an average 
>> person had come to know about this issue.
>> My point here is that I believe the Mute Swan, although yes it is an 
>> ‘invasive species’, does more good than harm as it helps connect people with 
>> a world around them they did not know before. The Swans in effect connect 
>> people to nature and help create a culture of conservation that helps us all.
>> As for Canada Geese I have nothing against them; however, to put thing into 
>> perspective when I do the DEC Winter Waterfowl Census in January I 
>> frequently find about 3,000 Canada Geese in the fields along Oregon Road 
>> Mattituck NY alone. Imagine how many statewide.
>> In my opinion the DEC needs to get their priorities in the correct order and 
>> concern themselves with a gradual reduction in the population of Canada 
>> Geese. Whether it be through addling of eggs or a more lenient view when it 
>> comes to hunting and or donation of the take to food banks something must be 
>> done.
>> rk
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