Hi Kevin and all,

This is true, but it doesn't solve the problem. eBird central might mean well, 
but they could be wrong in any given instance--and they are bound to be from 
time to time, just like NYSARC was wrong to "officially" declare that Monk 
Parakeets were gone in 1982.

We could go on and on about how ordinarily responsible bodies spit the bit, 
admittedly rarely, but also predictably. (Don't get me started about ABA adding 
Hawaii to North America, by decree.)

In my opinion, each person has to take responsibility for his/her own agenda. 
No matter what algorithms eBird employs, the Hot 100 will never be an objective 
reckoning of anything, right? 

Shai
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From: bounce-122144759-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-122144759-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Kevin J. McGowan 
[k...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:47 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: eBirds NYC
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Keep the conversation going with eBird. As an ornithologist, I'm interested in 
tracking the ups and downs of potential newly established species. As a lister, 
I'm interested in keeping my list clean and comparable for ABA rankings. I 
don't work with eBird, but be assured that the guys that do are both 
ornithologists and listers, too. I have no doubt that they will address this 
issue in the future. They're not technocrats who want to tell birders what to 
do, they're our people.


Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan
Project Manager
Distance Learning in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452


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<bounce-122144442-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Michael Schrimpf 
<michael.schri...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 4:02 PM
To: brian.whip...@gmail.com
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L; eBirds NYC
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Hi all,

Just to add a bit more context:

There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird 
reviewers, and the folks at Cornell acknowledge that this is an issue they wish 
to tackle soon. In one of his recent responses to our reviewer listserv, 
Marshall Iliff indicated that addressing this is a priority for them, so I 
imagine we should have additional tools soon (perhaps in the next year), 
presumably impacting what shows up in the public output, and likely including 
some user-options for what to count and what not to count on our own personal 
lists.

The current recommendation is to report any live, wild birds, including 
introduced birds (see the bottom of this help page):
http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/973921-what-data-are-appropriate-
What Data are Appropriate? | 
eBird<http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/973921-what-data-are-appropriate->
help.ebird.org
This feature describes the kinds of data appropriate for eBird, provides some 
tips for data entry, and warns about the problems associated with certain kinds 
of ...



In many places some of those introduced birds will become 'invalidated' by the 
reviewers, meaning they won't show up in public output (but will still show up 
on your lists), while other established species will show up on public maps. 
The important thing is that regardless of review status, those records are 
still in the database, and if/when they become important to monitor the 
community will still have access to those records. Some of that process may 
change once eBird Central invents new tools to deal with the data.

Many (but not all) exotics are also 'domestic' types, by which eBird means 
"distinctly-plumaged domesticated varieties that may be free-flying". Locally 
this includes things like Budgerigar, 'Swedish' Mallards, etc. There are 
normally separate taxonomic categories for those birds with the words (Domestic 
type) in parenthesis. These should only be used for birds that are identifiable 
as a domestic variety. These domestic varieties currently don't show up on 
lists. More info on that category can be found on this help page:
http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/1006825-the-ebird-taxonomy?b_id=1928
The eBird Taxonomy | 
eBird<http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/1006825-the-ebird-taxonomy?b_id=1928>
help.ebird.org
Updated 15 Aug 2017 -- eBird Taxonomy v2017. The eBird Taxonomy is a 
hierarchical approach to creating a species list for data entry and listing 
purposes across the ...



Michael Schrimpf
Suffolk Cty
eBird reviewer for the high seas and Antarctica


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:16 PM, 
<brian.whip...@gmail.com<mailto:brian.whip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The umpteen responses I’ve gotten to the contrary are why I hedged my sureness.

Does anyone know the proper protocol for entering escapees on checklists 
(benefitting science) without having them inaccurately show up on lifelists 
(benefitting type-A listers)?

Also, I know some of my Central Park checklists include Budgies, but there’s no 
Budgie on my NYS life list, so I must have done something right.

Thanks!



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