It probably won’t apply in this case, but in general east of the eye is usually 
best- or along the ‘normal’ eastern seaboard, that would be north of the eye. 

Mike Cooper
Ridge, LI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Peter Post <pwp...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Experience has shown that most hurricane blown birds immediately return 
> out-to-sea. You have to get out there during the storm or as soon as possible 
> afterward.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Purbita Saha wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Shai and Peter for these insights. What day do you recommend going 
>> out then to see what this devastating event dredges up? Saturday morning? 
>> (Sorry if you already mentioned).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Purbita Saha
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:07 AM Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Dear Peter,
>>> 
>>> It's amazing to hear these first-hand accounts of your experiences in past 
>>> storms! And yes, access could be an issue for any storm that directly 
>>> affects our area. But a major reason why I posted these summaries was to 
>>> show people with less experience the birding potential of storms, like 
>>> David, Fran, and Ernesto, that pass inland well to the west of us and pose 
>>> less of a direct weather challenge to us. I particularly recall Ernesto, 
>>> which after seemingly immense hype regarding direct threats to Long Island, 
>>> made landfall so far south and west that birders mainly ignored him. I 
>>> vividly recall driving over the bridges to the beach in the morning and 
>>> seeing Great South Bay's glassy, mirror-like surface--"it's a mill pond!" I 
>>> exclaimed to Pat, using indelicate expressions as well. Even so, we had 
>>> great birds that morning. Storms like dorian that churn past to the south 
>>> cause much more trouble and produce far fewer rarities for us than do 
>>> storms like David.
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra
>>> Bay Shore
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Peter Post [pwp...@nyc.rr.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:39 AM
>>> To: Shaibal Mitra
>>> Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
>>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Hurricane Dorian
>>> 
>>> All well and good, but the problem nowadays is access, access, access! Or I 
>>> should say lack of access!
>>> 
>>> I spent most of the Sept. 7th, 1979, during hurricane David, at Robert 
>>> Mosses SP. Every 10 or 15 minutes a small flock of Sooty Terns would fly by 
>>> with an occasional Bridled. By the end of the day I totaled 90 Sooty and 3 
>>> Bridled. Nowadays that beach is closed during hurricanes!
>>> 
>>> On Sept. 27, 1985, during hurricane Gloria, the Jones Beach strip was open 
>>> in the morning but closed in the afternoon unless you could prove you had a 
>>> house on the strip. And it's been closed during hurricanes ever since. The 
>>> authorities I am told are afraid of looting. As a result I missed the 3,000 
>>> Cape May warblers that day, but I was able to get out to Pt. Lookout where 
>>> a Northern Phalarope was spinning in a puddle in the parking lot. And where 
>>> I had my first intermedius Lesser Black-backed Gull for NY.
>>> 
>>> During hurricane Irene, August, 27, 2011, I went to Central Park in the 
>>> morning hoping to see some storm blown birds. I ignored the signs that the 
>>> park was closed. The City is afraid that they will be sued if a branch or 
>>> tree hits or kills someone. There was nothing of interest on the Great Lawn 
>>> and the reservoir was covered in thick flog. I passed several police who 
>>> ignored me but I ran into the parks Director of Operations, whom I knew, 
>>> and who tried to evict me. Later that afternoon I tried my luck at 
>>> Riverside Park, where I ran into Dale Dancis and was later joined  by 
>>> Ardith Bondi. I added both Sooty and Bridled Terns, Wilson's and Leach's 
>>> Storm-Petrels, Royal Tern, and White-tailed Tropicbird to my NY County 
>>> list. Ardith had a large dark swift which I couldn't get on. Unfortunate, 
>>> because there was a Black Swift seen at Cape May that day! (All of this was 
>>> written up in the Linnaean Newsletter). The following year, during 
>>> hurricane Sandy, one couldn't get near the Hudson River. They authorities 
>>> threatened us with arrest if we didn't leave. We had to hide as best we 
>>> could. But before being kicked out I added Oystercatcher and Black Scoter 
>>> to my NY Co., list.
>>> 
>>> If it isn't the closing of areas it's the downing of trees/power lines. 
>>> During one hurricane years ago I got as far as Bridgehampton. Downed tress 
>>> blocked my way from going any further east or to the beaches. When I tried 
>>> going back home a recently downed tree blocked my return. I wound up 
>>> spending the afternoon in the Bridgehampton High School which had been 
>>> setup as a shelter. Free coffee and donuts.Tony Lauro and Paul Buckley 
>>> managed to make it to Montauk Pt., but had to use a chainsaw to get there.
>>> 
>>> Peter Post
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
>>> 
>>> > The earliest models for Dorian’s track indicated a likelihood that the 
>>> > storm would track almost due north and pass to the west of Long Island—or 
>>> > at least parts of Long Island. This is the scenario that is likely to 
>>> > produce tropical terns and other Gulf Stream birds onshore on Long 
>>> > Island. With many people talking about Dorian and buzzing over the 
>>> > potential for storm birds, I’ve pulled out maps and bird data for several 
>>> > storms that passed west of or across Long Island near this date: David 
>>> > (1979), Fran (1996), Floyd (1999), Ernesto (2006), and Irene (2011)—all 
>>> > of these were productive for storm birds.
>>> >
>>> > For better or worse, at this point, it appears that Dorian will almost 
>>> > certainly whip out to sea to the south and east of us, as so many 
>>> > tropical systems do. Storms of this sort often interrupt the 
>>> > trans-oceanic migrations of species that would otherwise pass over us 
>>> > (various shorebirds, jaegers, Black Tern, etc.), but they do not bring 
>>> > tropical terns, etc.
>>> >
>>> > (Note: my obvious desire to see storm birds has NO influence on the 
>>> > weather and is not responsible for any harm or good wrought by any storm; 
>>> > the storm will do what it does, and we may simply wish to be prepared for 
>>> > the ornithological as well as other consequences).
>>> >
>>> > Shai Mitra
>>> > Bay Shore
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1979 Major Hurricane David
>>> >
>>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1979/Major-Hurricane-David
>>> >
>>> > From Richard L. Ferren, summarizing effects in Rhode Island: “A minimum 
>>> > of 62 Sooty Terns, at least five Bridled Terns, and a Brown Noddy passed 
>>> > Point Judith heading northeastward in the very late afternoon hours, with 
>>> > additional Sooties audibly passing the point after dark. Other Sooties 
>>> > were found dead at Napatree Point and seen exhausted inland at Kingston, 
>>> > while eight oystercatchers appeared at Napatree. More Sandwich Terns were 
>>> > seen the next day.  Five Royal,  16 Black,  and one Gull-billed Tern, and 
>>> > three Black Skimmers were also seen. A flock of 68 Red and six Red-necked 
>>> > Phalaropes at Galilee, and a Red-necked Phalarope and seven Black Terns 
>>> > were seen inland at Richmond the day of the storm; eight oystercatchers 
>>> > at Napatree the day after was then a large number. A final total of seven 
>>> > Sandwich Terns was a maximum count for the state at the time.”
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1996 Major Hurricane Fran
>>> >
>>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1996/Major-Hurricane-Fran
>>> >
>>> > morning: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20370719
>>> > morning: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20370663
>>> > evening: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20467354
>>> > next day: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20467579
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1999 Major Hurricane Floyd
>>> >
>>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1999/Major-Hurricane-Floyd
>>> >
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S24442955
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S27002826
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2006 Hurricane Ernesto
>>> >
>>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2006/Hurricane-Ernesto
>>> >
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S24420867
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2011 Hurricane Irene
>>> >
>>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2011/Hurricane-Irene
>>> >
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737686
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737724
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737900
>>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737940
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> >
>>> > ARCHIVES:
>>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> >
>>> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
>>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> 
>>> ARCHIVES:
>>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> 
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive
>> Surfbirds
>> ABA
>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>> --
> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Reply via email to