Might have to give Smarty a look...if I'm the one in charge of the 
hosting then yes I'd consider just putting it on a CMS but for alot of 
these sites I would actually have to ask the client for database or 
control panel access, which makes the not telling them part difficult.

Thanks for the responses everyone :)

Dan Khan wrote:
> For simple templating, I'd just use Smarty www.smarty.net.
>
> Although if you anticipate enough change requests from your client,
> and you are familiar enough with a particular CMS, you could always
> load up into the CMS like Simon says and just don't give your client
> access.  Only useful though if you can justify the time to CMSify it
> in the first place.  If the client later wants access to the CMS, then
> charge them a big whack in that instance, even though you've already
> got it setup.
>
> If the client just does wants simple PHP pages though (for ease of
> hosting setup for example), I'd go Smarty - it offers some real
> flexible and nice features, is extensible if you need to, can cache
> and pre-compile templates, gives you a clean code vs presentation
> separation. and still mostly looks like HTML in the templates for
> editing.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Simon Holywell<[email protected]> wrote:
>   
>> If you are doing the updates for the clients then what does it matter to 
>> them if it is on a CMS or not? You can still use one to make your job easier 
>> without them knowing or caring.
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: [phpug] Re: Simple templating framework?
>> From: Sid Bachtiar <[email protected]>
>> Date: 05.09.2009 01:08
>>
>>
>>     
>>> but it can get messy with nested subpages and whatnot so I was if there's
>>> something somewhere between this and a CMS..?
>>>       
>> I'd say framework like Zend, Symfony, Cake, Kohana, or something like
>> Smarty which is just templating engine.
>>
>> They are between plain HTML and CMS, but perhaps not what you'd consider 
>> simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Nathan Cox<[email protected]> wrote:
>>     
>>> Does anyone here know of any good simple PHP templating frameworks?  I get
>>> given sites to update/extend/maintain that are just made of alot of static
>>> HTML and I'm not a fan of having to go through every page to make one
>>> change, but the clients are sure they don't want a CMS.  So I want to find
>>> some kind of simple framework for these kinds of sites that can handle
>>> site-wide templates but also make it easy to set page titles, current menu
>>> items, page-specific CSS/JS etc.
>>>
>>> I know I can just do
>>>
>>> $pageTitle = 'about us';
>>> include('includes/header.php');
>>> <p>
>>>     Content here!
>>> </p>
>>>
>>> but it can get messy with nested subpages and whatnot so I was if there's
>>> something somewhere between this and a CMS..?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> --
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>> http://bluehorn.co.nz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
> >
>   

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